Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[zyphro]

As Marcush has pointed out, reality bites at some stage. It makes no sense at all for Daimler to see their team loitering around with Williams and the blank white car of Sauber when Merc have a budget several times the size of those teams.

Except, it's not as clear-cut as that.

Remember Toyota? Lessons are there to be learned, and I do hope the Daimler board are acknowledging that.

[elf341]

I did the sums and if they had gotten MSC to the finish in the early races, even with an expected decay in position from qualifying to race Mercedes would be basically right in the middle of the McLaren-Lotus-Ferrari WCC cluster.
It's clear that Mercedes wanted to take risks when they decided to sacrifice the 1st test for an expected 0.1sec gain from additional wind-tunnel time, but it appears they took a bit too many risks as their reliability has really been their main failing.

Lotus also took risks, in particular, they had to skip an entire test because they made the chassis too light. Fortunately for them, their reliability issues were not as persistent as experienced by MSC. However, Grosjean contributed to many DNFs. The difference is that Lotus made it work when it counted - when the track really suited the E20 they brought home double high points finishes (e.g. Bahrain, etc.). If Mercedes had brought home both W03s in China, and in Monaco (esp without MSC's quali penalty) we would see a very different Mercedes.

Red Bull on the other hand appeared to take less risks than the others, having to catch up on exhaust development (e.g. copying Sauber), but they really hit the nail on the head with reliability (forget valencia), that is why they are leading the WCC.

To finish first, you must first finish.

[xpensive]

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Lets get back to reviewing the team's performance. Marcush & Morteza have led the way, here's my contribution.... [/i]
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Ah....MGP's performance, or perhaps the lack of it in a consistent fashion, something which more often than not stems from poor management in most walks of life? Of course you can argue that 2013 will be the first true test for the three kings, but at the same time it will also constitute the fourth attempt by Ross Brawn to hack it as team principal for MGP?

I'm certain that Zetsche is a patient and forgiving man, but come on?

[SeijaKessen]

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Lets get back to reviewing the team's performance. Marcush & Morteza have led the way, here's my contribution.... [/i]
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Ah....MGP's performance, or perhaps the lack of it in a consistent fashion, something which more often than not stems from poor management in most walks of life? Of course you can argue that 2013 will be the first true test for the three kings, but at the same time it will also constitute the fourth attempt by Ross Brawn to hack it as team principal for MGP?

I'm certain that Zetsche is a patient and forgiving man, but come on?

Brawn needs to go, or at least be demoted to some other position.

MGP needs Flavio.

I'd really like that. The possibilities are endless if Flavio is Team Principal. Him and Michael again...they can reprise the glory years, especially 1994.

[zyphro]

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Lets get back to reviewing the team's performance. Marcush & Morteza have led the way, here's my contribution.... [/i]
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Ah....MGP's performance, or perhaps the lack of it in a consistent fashion, something which more often than not stems from poor management in most walks of life? Of course you can argue that 2013 will be the first true test for the three kings, but at the same time it will also constitute the fourth attempt by Ross Brawn to hack it as team principal for MGP?

I'm certain that Zetsche is a patient and forgiving man, but come on?

This criticism somewhat reminds me of the crap Domenicali received. No doubt if Merc suddenly start performing, posts of this sort will never appear.

[SeijaKessen]

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Lets get back to reviewing the team's performance. Marcush & Morteza have led the way, here's my contribution.... [/i]
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Ah....MGP's performance, or perhaps the lack of it in a consistent fashion, something which more often than not stems from poor management in most walks of life? Of course you can argue that 2013 will be the first true test for the three kings, but at the same time it will also constitute the fourth attempt by Ross Brawn to hack it as team principal for MGP?

I'm certain that Zetsche is a patient and forgiving man, but come on?

This criticism somewhat reminds me of the crap Domenicali received. No doubt if Merc suddenly start performing, posts of this sort will never appear.

Key word being "if".

Generally, when a team or company for that matter, is plagued by poor management, the only way to correct it is to eliminate all those involved.

If MGP really wants to win a WDC, and/or a WCC, they might want to sack those in charge.

No amount of money can overcome incompetence if those responsible for said incompetence are left to continue doing things as they do.

[ReLax]

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Lets get back to reviewing the team's performance. Marcush & Morteza have led the way, here's my contribution.... [/i]
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Ah....MGP's performance, or perhaps the lack of it in a consistent fashion, something which more often than not stems from poor management in most walks of life? Of course you can argue that 2013 will be the first true test for the three kings, but at the same time it will also constitute the fourth attempt by Ross Brawn to hack it as team principal for MGP?

I'm certain that Zetsche is a patient and forgiving man, but come on?

Brawn needs to go, or at least be demoted to some other position.

MGP needs Flavio.

I'd really like that. The possibilities are endless if Flavio is Team Principal. Him and Michael again...they can reprise the glory years, especially 1994.

I bet not, if Flavio comes MSC would go awy. He left Benetton 1 year before the contract ends because of all the cheating Flavio did.

[marcush.]

let´s face it:
Willis was famous for achieving reliability combined with speed in RedBull and BAR ...even though he never seemed happy in this role -aiming for aero design roles.
Costa is the former head of Ferrari who are a synomym for reliability and professionalism in all areas of their Formula 1 business.
Bell was guiding Renault through stormy waters after achieving a lot of success there as TD but also going throu times of low competitiveness and getting lost in the jungle of variables.
their combined effort has not netted really comparable success to what happened when Key joined Sauber ....and man the guy has already left the boat again but the speed is still there...
At this time MGP has really underachieved ...maybe due to a bleak patch hit by Schumacher and his side of the garage but the reality still stands and nobody will accept a what if scenario when it comes to explaning why MGP is not 3rd but fifth in this championship.
Maybe Schumi knows more than us...and Zetsche has already ringed the bell vowing to close the door when 3rd is not the result of this campaign....or 2 wins...I´m pretty sure there are clearly defined performance targets written down for MGP
and those targets were not met in year 1 and 2 ....resultingh in more strictly defined targets for this year.. guess who will have to report ? guess when budgets for 2013 are allocated..it is something to do with schumachers contract .He will only sign if things are going his way -budgets and people.Maybe he wants to save Brawns ass?

[zyphro]

Key word being "if".

Generally, when a team or company for that matter, is plagued by poor management, the only way to correct it is to eliminate all those involved.

If MGP really wants to win a WDC, and/or a WCC, they might want to sack those in charge.

No amount of money can overcome incompetence if those responsible for said incompetence are left to continue doing things as they do.

I don't think you are in any real position to comment on the "management", neither are many of the posters here. Going out and sacking those in charge achieves nothing.

Also this season isn't a proper representation of which car is quickest. Some fare better than others depending on the conditions. Time and patience is needed to win the WDC/WCC - Rome was not built overnight.

[SeijaKessen]

Key word being "if".

Generally, when a team or company for that matter, is plagued by poor management, the only way to correct it is to eliminate all those involved.

If MGP really wants to win a WDC, and/or a WCC, they might want to sack those in charge.

No amount of money can overcome incompetence if those responsible for said incompetence are left to continue doing things as they do.

I don't think you are in any real position to comment on the "management", neither are many of the posters here. Going out and sacking those in charge achieves nothing.

Also this season isn't a proper representation of which car is quickest. Some fare better than others depending on the conditions. Time and patience is needed to win the WDC/WCC - Rome was not built overnight.

Au contraire my dear zypho.

While I do agree completely with you that this season isn't a proper representation of which car is the quickest, something is clearly wrong at MGP.

[SeijaKessen]

Ah....MGP's performance, or perhaps the lack of it in a consistent fashion, something which more often than not stems from poor management in most walks of life? Of course you can argue that 2013 will be the first true test for the three kings, but at the same time it will also constitute the fourth attempt by Ross Brawn to hack it as team principal for MGP?

I'm certain that Zetsche is a patient and forgiving man, but come on?

Brawn needs to go, or at least be demoted to some other position.

MGP needs Flavio.

I'd really like that. The possibilities are endless if Flavio is Team Principal. Him and Michael again...they can reprise the glory years, especially 1994.

I bet not, if Flavio comes MSC would go awy. He left Benetton 1 year before the contract ends because of all the cheating Flavio did.

Oh but Michael does want to go out with a bang, and not a whimper I think.

He certainly would be willing to put behind the infamous Benetton 1994 season behind him if it meant several more wins, or even that 8th WDC.

[SeijaKessen]

I'll be honest, I think at this point MGP may as well just try to maintain their current position, since it's clear the only thing that has improved is Schumacher's reliability since management thought it necessary to be watching his car more carefully.

That aside, I do think 2013 may be the last chance for MGP to prove something, if anything, before the board comes down with the axe and dismantles the team.

Hockenheim will probably give us a good indication of what to expect for the duration of the season. I don't see the W03 being competitive at Spa or Monza. Hungary and Singapore may be their last opportunities this year.

[zyphro]

I'll be honest, I think at this point MGP may as well just try to maintain their current position, since it's clear the only thing that has improved is Schumacher's reliability since management thought it necessary to be watching his car more carefully.

That aside, I do think 2013 may be the last chance for MGP to prove something, if anything, before the board comes down with the axe and dismantles the team.

Hockenheim will probably give us a good indication of what to expect for the duration of the season. I don't see the W03 being competitive at Spa or Monza. Hungary and Singapore may be their last opportunities this year.

If this season has taught me one thing, it is: predictions are completely and utterly useless .

[SeijaKessen]

I'll be honest, I think at this point MGP may as well just try to maintain their current position, since it's clear the only thing that has improved is Schumacher's reliability since management thought it necessary to be watching his car more carefully.

That aside, I do think 2013 may be the last chance for MGP to prove something, if anything, before the board comes down with the axe and dismantles the team.

Hockenheim will probably give us a good indication of what to expect for the duration of the season. I don't see the W03 being competitive at Spa or Monza. Hungary and Singapore may be their last opportunities this year.

If this season has taught me one thing, it is: predictions are completely and utterly useless .

Well, ever since Pirelli quietly altered their tire compounds to give a slightly better operating window after the teams were complaining, we have gotten a much better sense for which teams will be at the top; Ferrari/Red Bull/Lotus.

[Cocles]

...it's clear the only thing that has improved is Schumacher's reliability since management thought it necessary to be watching his car more carefully.

Except, you know, their second podium finish of the season. Your statement, and sentiment, ignore the facts. You're also referring to two total races as if that's enough data to constitute some sort of "trend".

Maybe Schumi knows more than us...and Zetsche has already ringed the bell vowing to close the door when 3rd is not the result of this campaign....or 2 wins...I´m pretty sure there are clearly defined performance targets written down for MGP and those targets were not met in year 1 and 2 ....resultingh in more strictly defined targets for this year..

After the W02, for all we know the minimal target for 2012 was already achieved in China. Probably not, but the point remains, we don't know. Invented narratives like these really don't tell us anything. We don't have enough facts to speculate so specifically.