2016 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, Thu 26 – Sun 29 May

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djos wrote:Ricciardo is on fire!

I'm really hoping he can bag his first pole at Monaco, imo he has the talent and the equipment now to really take the fight to the Mercedes boys!
sheesh... he led a practice session at monaco.... what happens if he is in 6th in qualy when the other 2 teams focus in their setups and turn up the wick?

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Max can match his sector 1 but Ric is just mighty in sector 2 & 3.

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giantfan10 wrote:
djos wrote:Ricciardo is on fire!

I'm really hoping he can bag his first pole at Monaco, imo he has the talent and the equipment now to really take the fight to the Mercedes boys!
sheesh... he led a practice session at monaco.... what happens if he is in 6th in qualy when the other 2 teams focus in their setups and turn up the wick?
Everyone is focusing on Q pace at the moment. That is the whole race here, especially with US tyres that will last half a race distance.

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gandharva wrote:Yes because RBR is known for it's low fuel glory runs... Please stop spreading bs! Ricciardo did 6 laps after his best (11 lap stint in total) before he went to the pits. Currently it looks like it's Mercs vs. Ricciardo and even if you add the usual 0,5s that Mercs will improve by cranking up their engine, it will not be a walk in the park for them. I expect a pole time in the low 1.13s and a decent recovery of Ferrari.
I agree with most of what you have said except for the 0.5 qualifying mode around Monaco. On other circuits I would agree that it is worth about 0.5sec a lap but not at Monaco where it might be worth 0.2 of a second. You should also consider the recent reliability issues Mercedes have had and it might be the case that the qualifying mode might have to be put away for a few grand prix.

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carisi2k wrote:I agree with most of what you have said except for the 0.5 qualifying mode around Monaco. On other circuits I would agree that it is worth about 0.5sec a lap but not at Monaco where it might be worth 0.2 of a second. You should also consider the recent reliability issues Mercedes have had and it might be the case that the qualifying mode might have to be put away for a few grand prix.
Here are last year's qualifying times.
1 44 L. HAMILTON Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team
Q1 1:16.588
Q2 1:15.864
Q3 1:15.098

3 5 S. VETTEL Scuderia Ferrari
Q1 1:17.502
Q2 1:16.181
Q3 1:15.849

Now please explain, what reliability issues bothered Mercedes in Qualifying for either Nico or Lewis, throughout this year (other than failures suffered due to Bottas damaging Lewis' car in Bahrain, that screwed up China)? Why should they put off their Qualifiying mode for this GP?

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My bet for Qualifying.
1. A Faster Mercedes, somewhere between 1:12.7xx to 1:13.0xx.
2. A Faster Red Bull (Ricciardo), somewhere between 1:13.2xx to 1:13.5xx
3. A Faster Ferrari, somewhere between 1:13.3xx to 1:13.7xx.

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GPR-A wrote:
carisi2k wrote:I agree with most of what you have said except for the 0.5 qualifying mode around Monaco. On other circuits I would agree that it is worth about 0.5sec a lap but not at Monaco where it might be worth 0.2 of a second. You should also consider the recent reliability issues Mercedes have had and it might be the case that the qualifying mode might have to be put away for a few grand prix.
Here are last year's qualifying times.
1 44 L. HAMILTON Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team
Q1 1:16.588
Q2 1:15.864
Q3 1:15.098

3 5 S. VETTEL Scuderia Ferrari
Q1 1:17.502
Q2 1:16.181
Q3 1:15.849

Now please explain, what reliability issues bothered Mercedes in Qualifying for either Nico or Lewis, throughout this year (other than failures suffered due to Bottas damaging Lewis' car in Bahrain, that screwed up China)? Why should they put off their Qualifiying mode for this GP?
Hamilton had a failure in Sochi, didn't he?

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godlameroso wrote:Single lap times are meaningless look at long runs

http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/ ... es_v01.pdf

Vettel has slightly more pace than Riccardo.
Irrelevant unless you are 2 or more seconds faster. You wont overtake in Monaco, so you need to be in a good position if you want to achieve something.

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rayden wrote:Max can match his sector 1 but Ric is just mighty in sector 2 & 3.
At least in the past you could make the difference in those sectors. Look at this mighty pole by Shumi in 1996:


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carisi2k wrote: I agree with most of what you have said except for the 0.5 qualifying mode around Monaco. On other circuits I would agree that it is worth about 0.5sec a lap but not at Monaco where it might be worth 0.2 of a second. You should also consider the recent reliability issues Mercedes have had and it might be the case that the qualifying mode might have to be put away for a few grand prix.
Or...they might switch it on only for that one crucial lap in Q3.

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Vasconia wrote:
rayden wrote:Max can match his sector 1 but Ric is just mighty in sector 2 & 3.
At least in the past you could make the difference in those sectors. Look at this mighty pole by Shumi in 1996:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49YpUBoOc5E
Those laptimes... :)

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GPR-A wrote:
carisi2k wrote:I agree with most of what you have said except for the 0.5 qualifying mode around Monaco. On other circuits I would agree that it is worth about 0.5sec a lap but not at Monaco where it might be worth 0.2 of a second. You should also consider the recent reliability issues Mercedes have had and it might be the case that the qualifying mode might have to be put away for a few grand prix.
Here are last year's qualifying times.
1 44 L. HAMILTON Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team
Q1 1:16.588
Q2 1:15.864
Q3 1:15.098

3 5 S. VETTEL Scuderia Ferrari
Q1 1:17.502
Q2 1:16.181
Q3 1:15.849

Now please explain, what reliability issues bothered Mercedes in Qualifying for either Nico or Lewis, throughout this year (other than failures suffered due to Bottas damaging Lewis' car in Bahrain, that screwed up China)? Why should they put off their Qualifiying mode for this GP?
How does a damaged chassis in Bahrain cause Hamilton's MGU-H to break in Qualifying for both China and Russia. Let's not forget about the issues both Rosberg and Hamilton had in Russia during the race.

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Juzh wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
rayden wrote:Max can match his sector 1 but Ric is just mighty in sector 2 & 3.
At least in the past you could make the difference in those sectors. Look at this mighty pole by Shumi in 1996:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49YpUBoOc5E
Those laptimes... :)
Still you can feel how the fight with the car and the push to the limit. Michael was particularly mighty in the last sector(his pole in 2012...)

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According to Permane th enew Renault engine is a bomb.

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As much as i disagree most of the time with giantfan10, he's not suggesting Ferrari will be on pole, but simply that you can't base your judgement on thursday only..what if they were using the pre-upgrade PU.

RE the drain cover and road car downforce: is the discussion about the possibility of a car running AT 50 km/h on a drain cover, or a car that has unimaginable tons of downforce and engine power, that can ideally accelerate TO 50 km/h on the same drain cover and lift it?