2025 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 04 - 06

[Matt-A]

There is an appalling amount of anti British racism in here.
It would serve some to remember that it wasn't Lando complaining about the way Oscar led the safety car field, it was Max. It wasn't McLaren trying to get the stewards to punish Oscar. On the contrary, the British McLaren F1 team did their beat to protest the penalty.

It's also worth remembering that F1 is a British sport. It was invented in the UK, and by far the majority of teams are based in Britan (even Ferari have a large presence there and AMG even is a Birtish registered company founded by British engineers). British drivers have won the most championships and British teams have won the most constructors championships.

There would be no F1 without the British. Racists who don't like Britons might find ollowing a non-British sport more enjoyable.

[emp]

Jesus, some people here are not better than average toxic social media f1 fan. Hulkenberg explained it well in the cool down room that the braking he did had an effect on all of them and it was a WET TRACK. If just one fails to brake, you have a Hungaroring 2021 moment. So yeah, it had to be punished.

Context matters, not just bias.

[purestpurist]

Stolen race. Absolute disgrace, blatant manipulation by the stewards. No driver was affected by the supposed offense so no grounds existed for the (false) penalty. Stewards in cahoots with the team? Hard to rule it out. Not to mention the FIA and sponsors will prefer an English champion.

Great drive by Hulk.

They didnt in 2021, how about that? Agree or not that there could have been a big crash at that hard stop. Piastri shouldnt have done it. I want Piastri to win the championship, that hard stop was very unnecessary. Bottas did it before a big crash happened. Piastri will learn from it

Yeah they 100% did. Between selectively target red bull's flexiwings and not mercedes, not dsqing hamilton for the most disgusting driving since suzuka 90, changing pit stop tech to hurt red bull, and ignoring the magic engine upgrade in brazil they went to incredible lengths to keep hamilton in a title fight he clearly couldn't win on his own. Toto tried to get masi to fix abu dhabi by not allowing the race to restart, but masi did the right thing and didn't allow the fix to go through. His job was to ensure hamilton won, and he lost it because he failed to do this

[Hoffman900]

There is an appalling amount of anti British racism in here.
It would serve some to remember that it wasn't Lando complaining about the way Oscar led the safety car field, it was Max. It wasn't McLaren trying to get the stewards to punish Oscar. On the contrary, the British McLaren F1 team did their beat to protest the penalty.

It's also worth remembering that F1 is a British sport. It was invented in the UK, and by far the majority of teams are based in Britan (even Ferari have a large presence there and AMG even is a Birtish registered company founded by British engineers). British drivers have won the most championships and British teams have won the most constructors championships.

There would be no F1 without the British. Racists who don't like Britons might find ollowing a non-British sport more enjoyable.

The British aren’t a race.

But that aside, this race was poorly managed through and through and created an opportunity where someone was penalized for something that others have gotten away with, and created the illusion of a race win / narrative that feels forced.

[cliffgamerz]

Stolen race. Absolute disgrace, blatant manipulation by the stewards. No driver was affected by the supposed offense so no grounds existed for the (false) penalty. Stewards in cahoots with the team? Hard to rule it out. Not to mention the FIA and sponsors will prefer an English champion.

Great drive by Hulk.

They didnt in 2021, how about that? Agree or not that there could have been a big crash at that hard stop. Piastri shouldnt have done it. I want Piastri to win the championship, that hard stop was very unnecessary. Bottas did it before a big crash happened. Piastri will learn from it

Yeah they 100% did. Between selectively target red bull's flexiwings and not mercedes, not dsqing hamilton for the most disgusting driving since suzuka 90, changing pit stop tech to hurt red bull, and ignoring the magic engine upgrade in brazil they went to incredible lengths to keep hamilton in a title fight he clearly couldn't win on his own. Toto tried to get masi to fix abu dhabi by not allowing the race to restart, but masi did the right thing and didn't allow the fix to go through. His job was to ensure hamilton won, and he lost it because he failed to do this

Nice story, especially the last part

[Hoffman900]

Stolen race. Absolute disgrace, blatant manipulation by the stewards. No driver was affected by the supposed offense so no grounds existed for the (false) penalty. Stewards in cahoots with the team? Hard to rule it out. Not to mention the FIA and sponsors will prefer an English champion.

Great drive by Hulk.

They didnt in 2021, how about that? Agree or not that there could have been a big crash at that hard stop. Piastri shouldnt have done it. I want Piastri to win the championship, that hard stop was very unnecessary. Bottas did it before a big crash happened. Piastri will learn from it

Yeah they 100% did. Between selectively target red bull's flexiwings and not mercedes, not dsqing hamilton for the most disgusting driving since suzuka 90, changing pit stop tech to hurt red bull, and ignoring the magic engine upgrade in brazil they went to incredible lengths to keep hamilton in a title fight he clearly couldn't win on his own. Toto tried to get masi to fix abu dhabi by not allowing the race to restart, but masi did the right thing and didn't allow the fix to go through. His job was to ensure hamilton won, and he lost it because he failed to do this

You forgot gifting Max a race win for a race that never went green and then a completey made up result in the last race that was clearly outside any of the rules.

F1 is more forced / managed than WWE / NASCAR. It is is barely passable as a sport.

[CMSMJ1]

Several of you are getting closer to the edge in these posts about nationality.

Wind it in

Wouldn't expect anything else from someone with your profile signature. Sorry, but there's f1 fans outside england who get upset when results are repeatedly tinkered with to favor your drivers.

** My view**
There are surely fans of the sport that get thoroughly frustrated by obvious, partisan and ignorant takes that tries to bring a national bias to all things.

Results aren't tinkered with though sometimes decisions are made by F1 that don't make a lot of sense.
Be that safety car timing, blue flag use, random levels of punishment for the same infringment... Etc... However, this is not based on anyone's nationality and it's only the genuinely stubborn and hard of thinking that really try to press that point

This place ought to have a collective intelligence higher than most and yet sometimes I despair.


*Mod view**

Bring nationalistic elements into posts and expect them to be deleted and/or warnings issued
This place should be better. It is not a pro English place, or pro British other than by a basic element of the English speaking audience having similar opinions.
The majority of people are quite capable of having a serious crush on a driver or team and it doesn't need to become negative and confrontational.

[Matt-A]

If Oscar did nothing wrong then Max should be penalised for overtaking under safety car conditions.

That is what you are arguing.

Add 10 seconds back Oscars time and give Max a grid place penalty at the next race.

That would be a good farce.

[erudite450]

The driver is only good as his car, hope this settles it.

The Red Bull is not as good as the Mclaren man and Max absolutely achieves more with his machinery than Lando and Piastri achieve with what's so clearly and comprehensively the best car on the grid. You're never going to be able to argue this convincingly because the rest of us can see the obvious reality.

Also anyways, I really think the sport needs to retire full wet tires. At this point, it's simply strategy bait. Any driver who would make the sensible choice to put on full wets when conditions call for it would be punished since the race director is just going to call a safety car out, and then wont let them race again until it's ideal for inters again.

They literally will not let them race in full wet conditions anymore, and when they call out a full safety car and bunch up everybody again, they're just making it MORE dangerous for everybody.

So immensely frustrating.

The problem has always been pirelli, in 2016 it was revealed by pirelli themselves that the 2010 Bridgestone inters displaced more water than the 2016 pirelli FULL WETS. Pirelli full.wets are just complete garbage and are unraceable. They aquaplane far too much.

I'm not excusing Pirelli here but this is just utter nonsense. The problem is not the wet tyres. We have had some brilliant wet races in the Pirelli era. The problem is that the race direction has consistently been developing rabies with their aversion for water.

[Luscion]

The Red Bull is not as good as the Mclaren man and Max absolutely achieves more with his machinery than Lando and Piastri achieve with what's so clearly and comprehensively the best car on the grid. You're never going to be able to argue this convincingly because the rest of us can see the obvious reality.

Also anyways, I really think the sport needs to retire full wet tires. At this point, it's simply strategy bait. Any driver who would make the sensible choice to put on full wets when conditions call for it would be punished since the race director is just going to call a safety car out, and then wont let them race again until it's ideal for inters again.

They literally will not let them race in full wet conditions anymore, and when they call out a full safety car and bunch up everybody again, they're just making it MORE dangerous for everybody.

So immensely frustrating.

The problem has always been pirelli, in 2016 it was revealed by pirelli themselves that the 2010 Bridgestone inters displaced more water than the 2016 pirelli FULL WETS. Pirelli full.wets are just complete garbage and are unraceable. They aquaplane far too much.

I'm not excusing Pirelli here but this is just utter nonsense. The problem is not the wet tyres. We have had some brilliant wet races in the Pirelli era. The problem is that the race direction has consistently been developing rabies with their aversion for water.

The issue is the amount of spray these cars produce in wet conditions, multiple drivers were complaining they couldnt see a car that was right infront of them, hadjar went right into the back of Kimi and caused him to retire because he couldnt see him until he was like 10 feet away. i think the race director made the right call to bring out the SC

[purestpurist]

If Oscar did nothing wrong then Max should be penalised for overtaking under safety car conditions.

That is what you are arguing.

Add 10 seconds back Oscars time and give Max a grid place penalty at the next race.

That would be a good farce.

No, the point is that if Max was in second (cf canada) the penalty never would've been applied

[ENGINE TUNER]

Stolen race. Absolute disgrace, blatant manipulation by the stewards. No driver was affected by the supposed offense so no grounds existed for the (false) penalty. Stewards in cahoots with the team? Hard to rule it out. Not to mention the FIA and sponsors will prefer an English champion.

Great drive by Hulk.

Tell Max that no driver was affected.

Max was not affected and he should have been the one penalized both in Canada and here in this instance, the prohibition of going side by side during safety was put in precisely because of his unsporting antics. The leader has the right to warm his tires and brakes.

[Matt-A]

Max was in second when he overtook Oscar under the safety car.

[ENGINE TUNER]

Stolen race. Absolute disgrace, blatant manipulation by the stewards. No driver was affected by the supposed offense so no grounds existed for the (false) penalty. Stewards in cahoots with the team? Hard to rule it out. Not to mention the FIA and sponsors will prefer an English champion.

Great drive by Hulk.

They didnt in 2021, how about that? Agree or not that there could have been a big crash at that hard stop. Piastri shouldnt have done it. I want Piastri to win the championship, that hard stop was very unnecessary. Bottas did it before a big crash happened. Piastri will learn from it

Bottas never did it, that had been disproven several times, Bottas kept a constant speed, just much longer towards the start finish than usual.

[erudite450]

The problem has always been pirelli, in 2016 it was revealed by pirelli themselves that the 2010 Bridgestone inters displaced more water than the 2016 pirelli FULL WETS. Pirelli full.wets are just complete garbage and are unraceable. They aquaplane far too much.

I'm not excusing Pirelli here but this is just utter nonsense. The problem is not the wet tyres. We have had some brilliant wet races in the Pirelli era. The problem is that the race direction has consistently been developing rabies with their aversion for water.

The issue is the amount of spray these cars produce in wet conditions, multiple drivers were complaining they couldnt see a car that was right infront of them, hadjar went right into the back of Kimi and caused him to retire because he couldnt see him until he was like 10 feet away. i think the race director made the right call to bring out the SC

Well, that happens because the race director throws the safety car at every minor wet incident bunching up the field and causing more chaos at restarts.