Lewis third, Jarno given 25s penalty > Trulli 3rd, Lewis DSQ

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Err Guys,


Sorry I haven't read the entire thead (and appolgies if I comment on something already stated), but is it possible that McLaren are simply not used to having their race communications un-encrypted?

This would be the first time that their communications would be so publicly analysed and in the hard light of day perhaps their version of events given to the stewards was not quite as they implied.

I mean this hardly the first time that any team have decided to push the limit of what is true / allowed and maybe they have been very publicly and foolishly caught out telling porkie pies because they'r not used to all comms being reviewed.

If you compare this approach to the blunt honesty of Vettel who gat slapped 10 places for his troubles, you would understand why someone would state things to improve their case. I think they just saw the golden opportunity of gaining a easy place and took it and pobably regret it like you can't believe now.

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0614: BREAKING NEWS FROM SEPANG: McLaren sporting director Dave Ryan - who accompanied Lewis Hamilton to the fateful stewards' meeting in Australia - has been seen leaving the track with packed bags. Subsequently there is speculation that he has left the team after more than 30 years' service. Communications director Matt Bishop told BBC Sport the team were "not confirming anything at the moment" but added that McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh would hold a news conference later on Friday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 979833.stm

Looks like they have picked a fall guy already. I mean they could hardly sack Lewis could they!

[xpensive]

Hamilton still faces the risk of suspension? Can't anyone yell the emperor's naked and that F1 is not a sport anymore?

Rules, interpretations and penalties are made up as they come by Mosley, according to his own Machiavellian agenda.

What was that again, WWE?

[BTM]

0614: BREAKING NEWS FROM SEPANG: McLaren sporting director Dave Ryan - who accompanied Lewis Hamilton to the fateful stewards' meeting in Australia - has been seen leaving the track with packed bags. Subsequently there is speculation that he has left the team after more than 30 years' service. Communications director Matt Bishop told BBC Sport the team were "not confirming anything at the moment" but added that McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh would hold a news conference later on Friday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 979833.stm

Looks like they have picked a fall guy already. I mean they could hardly sack Lewis could they!

if this is true, its really unfortunate. even as a dedicated member of the tifosi, i think that the reversal was right, fair, more than adequate, and further penalties completely unnecessary. now there is a "fall guy" and further consequences are pending? i really came to loathe the fia (even though sometimes they get it right) during the schumi/brawn era, but this is just overbearing legislation of a misguided attempt to gain an (albeit) unfair advantage

[axle]

But then again maybe it's right to fire someone if they are in charge of SPORTING affairs and they tell LH what to say, only to lead to the team, driver and sport into disripute.

The DIRECTOR of SPORTING affairs must be ultimately responsible, and part of that responsibility is to take the "fall" for c0ck ups that happen on his watch.

If only the bankers in charge of the world economics were facing the same!

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Confirmed!

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21349.html

APRIL 3, 2009
McLaren sporting director suspended

Dave Ryan, McLaren's Sporting Director, has been suspended by the team following the Lewis Hamilton controversy in Melbourne.

The 54-year-old New Zealander has been with McLaren for 34 years, having joined the team as a mechanic when he arrived in London in 1974. In the years that followed he worked with Jochen Mass and Patrick Tambay and became chief mechanic after the old McLaren team was merged with Ron Dennis's Project 4.

He was chief mechanic through the successful years of the McLaren-TAG era and then spent a period as theMcLaren factory manager before becoming team manager in 1990.

[Shaddock]

It will be interesting to compare what actually happened on the track to what people think happened listening to the radio conversations.

Martin Whitmarsh has come out and said

"Lewis didn't stop, and the telemetry data which was shown to the stewards today showed that the lap on which he was overtaken was no different from the succeeding lap that was under the safety car. It was difficult conditions but there was no evidence from the data that Lewis did anything that induced Trulli to go past.

"If we look at the speed traces at that time, and compare it to other periods behind the safety car, then Lewis did not do anything abnormal."

If Lewis did say 'I let him past' on the radio what does expression mean on the track?

I didn't fight for position?

I didn't block him trying to overtake me?

I didn't speed up and defend the corner?

I didn't put him on the grass like I normally do when a Toyota tries to pass me


The FIA are now trying to police people thoughts and intentions, not the actual racing that happened on the track.

[imightbewrong]

It will be interesting to compare what actually happened on the track to what people think happened listening to the radio conversations.

Martin Whitmarsh has come out and said

"Lewis didn't stop, and the telemetry data which was shown to the stewards today showed that the lap on which he was overtaken was no different from the succeeding lap that was under the safety car. It was difficult conditions but there was no evidence from the data that Lewis did anything that induced Trulli to go past.

"If we look at the speed traces at that time, and compare it to other periods behind the safety car, then Lewis did not do anything abnormal."

If Lewis did say 'I let him past' on the radio what does expression mean on the track?

I didn't fight for position?

I didn't block him trying to overtake me?

I didn't speed up and defend the corner?

I didn't put him on the grass like I normally do when a Toyota tries to pass me


The FIA are now trying to police people thoughts and intentions, not the actual racing that happened on the track.

Give it up, they have now come clean:

When asked if he felt Hamilton had also been truthful in the meeting, Whitmarsh said: "No. I think that Lewis was not entirely truthful, but we have spoken to Davey. He was the senior member of the team and they went into the situation together."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74189

[ben_watkins]

Not good, not good at all. Sad day for the whole team. I'm surprised that Macca don't suspend Hamilton as well.

[Shaddock]

Give it up, they have now come clean:

When asked if he felt Hamilton had also been truthful in the meeting, Whitmarsh said: "No. I think that Lewis was not entirely truthful, but we have spoken to Davey. He was the senior member of the team and they went into the situation together."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74189

I will stick by this:

The FIA are now trying to police people thoughts and intentions, not the actual racing that happened on the track.

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Whitmarsh explained that Ryan and Hamilton's decision not to tell the stewards about the radio conversation between team and driver was taken unilaterally, without consultation with senior management.

"I think anyone who knows Davey will know that he did not set out with any deliberate intention to mislead the stewards," said Whitmarsh.

"He went to that meeting with Lewis I am sure with the intention of being very clear and straightforward, but I think during the course of that meeting, as we have explored it more with him over the past 24 hours, it has become clear that he was not as full and comprehensive as he could have been."

When asked if he felt Hamilton had also been truthful in the meeting, Whitmarsh said: "No. I think that Lewis was not entirely truthful, but we have spoken to Davey. He was the senior member of the team and they went into the situation together.

Yup! Caught telling porky pies thinking they could take advantage of the situation. I know there will be howls from the golden childs supporters but to be perfectly fair and equal I think both Ferrari and McLaren have plenty of history of this in the past. I don't think you can consider Ross Brawn Mr Squeaky clean either just because they have a good car from the ashes of Honda. So I guess the point is, stick a finger in any direction in the pit lane and you will find someone guilty (either past or present).

On this point, it was about time that the FIA ruled encrypting radio comms should be banned.

One of their better decisons recently.

Heaven knows they haven't got much right lately, have they?

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I will stick by this:

The FIA are now trying to police people thoughts and intentions, not the actual racing that happened on the track.[/quote]

But it is neither their thought or intention which is at issue. Isn't it the honesty of the response to a direct question which is the issue?

Put it this way, if you slap a referee during a footbal match, you will get a red card followed by a ban, no questions!

Isn't lying to the arbitrator, akin to landing a big five finger salute in the ref's face? Hence and immediate sanction with potentially serious consquence to follow.

Would anyone give a crap if this was Sutil? It is only when it is McLaren or Ferrari that opinion is so polarised.

IMHO I think it fair to apply a sanction when the team overtly admits they have been untruthful to the stewards. Doesn't matter which team.

[timbo]

I will stick by this:

The FIA are now trying to police people thoughts and intentions, not the actual racing that happened on the track.

So, what's your point on Rascassegate? Because the whole point of it was whether MS parked deliberately. So his punishment really depends on his thoughts and intentions.

[dumrick]

I will stick by this:

The FIA are now trying to police people thoughts and intentions, not the actual racing that happened on the track.

So, what's your point on Rascassegate? Because the whole point of it was whether MS parked deliberately. So his punishment really depends on his thoughts and intentions.

Well if he parked deliberately (does anybody doubt it?), since he never recognized it, by the new FIA standards, he would be suspended for life.

[chrys]

BBC News version of Lewis Hamilton disqualification...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-7GdrZp ... re=related