Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Ganxxta]

According to Brawn they had problems in "long corners" in Hungary...

Can someone please tell me where those long corners are exactly in Hungary?
Turn 8 in Turkey is long, there are a few corners in Malaysia that are long, but in Hungary? seriously?

Source in german

[Neno]

According to Brawn they had problems in "long corners" in Hungary...

Can someone please tell me where those long corners are exactly in Hungary?
Turn 8 in Turkey is long, there are a few corners in Malaysia that are long, but in Hungary? seriously?

Source in german

her we go: 2nd, 5th, 12th, 13th

this are corners where you need good traction for good acceleration trough them.

[lillschumi]

I am amused by watching the progress the team has done this year

I have abandon this year but what is worrying me is next years project (if there will be one). By not sacking Bigois early on (lets say after the Aero crippled W01 and definitly W02) and by now sacking him in the middle of the final stages of finishing next years car is not a good sign. Who is now leading development of next years Aero?, Willis?, if so why hire Elliot?. By bad managemnt i´m quite convinced they will screw up next year also.

I have high regards for Ross but i´m starting to think his former success was really contributed to that he was surrounded by competence that made him look good, in Bennetton and Ferrari he had Symonds and Dyer which are proven race enginners that could take good decisions on-track and then there was Briatore and Todt who did the managing which no one can argue against. Rory took care of the designs.

Actually when he came to Honda they performed worse then ever, then there was this Japanese who found out the DDD and as pure luck the Merc engine fitted perfectly, and that my friends that is just pure luck. Now we say we got 3 brains but have we:
Costa- Ferrari clearly didn´t want him anymore
Willis- can he be contributed to Red Bull/Williams success, Fisher and Newey was always there and he quited before the real RB break through
Bob Bell - Renault 2005,2006 but remember Symonds were still engineering director

I think we overrate the brains, maybe Bell i could think have something.

[zyphro]

...by now sacking him in the middle of the final stages of finishing next years car is not a good sign.

Also head of aero will be Elliot. He'll presumably be reporting to Willis?

[sidmiester]

...by now sacking him in the middle of the final stages of finishing next years car is not a good sign.

Also head of aero will be Elliot. He'll presumably be reporting to Willis?

has he already started working for the team or will he be joining the team at the end of the season???

[marcush.]

mercedes suffering in long corners...i´d say that´s the easy part-- I think they are completely mad over there .What did one of the bright heads say a few years ago ...ah no it´s not that easy you cannot just change a spring rate it will destroy all the calculations...this maybe true but think about the possibility the base of your calcs are wrong ..

elliot had meeting meeting with rosberg ,so he is not on gardening leave...

[zyphro]

...by now sacking him in the middle of the final stages of finishing next years car is not a good sign.

Also head of aero will be Elliot. He'll presumably be reporting to Willis?

has he already started working for the team or will he be joining the team at the end of the season???

No, he has joined the team.

[Ganxxta]

her we go: 2nd, 5th, 12th, 13th

this are corners where you need good traction for good acceleration trough them.

Ok, if they think that those are corners are "long"^^

Anyway, you need good traction and downforce in every corner...

In the beginning of the season it was said that the W03 is good at fast corners and long straights, later only in long straights, then it was acceleration out of slow corners, so it was said that this track would fit the W03 perfectly as its a "slow" track more or less like Monaco.

Well I believe they lost every advantage they might have had, they aren't fastest on the straights anymore, fast corners are bad (Silverstone) etc.
And they are only 25 points ahead of Sauber, to be honest, I think Sauber can improve their car more during the summer break...
However, let's see if they get lucky tomorrow to get 1-2 Points...

[zyphro]

her we go: 2nd, 5th, 12th, 13th

this are corners where you need good traction for good acceleration trough them.

Ok, if they think that those are corners are "long"^^

Anyway, you need good traction and downforce in every corner...

In the beginning of the season it was said that the W03 is good at fast corners and long straights, later only in long straights, then it was acceleration out of slow corners, so it was said that this track would fit the W03 perfectly as its a "slow" track more or less like Monaco.

Well I believe they lost every advantage they might have had, they aren't fastest on the straights anymore, fast corners are bad (Silverstone) etc.
And they are only 25 points ahead of Sauber, to be honest, I think Sauber can improve their car more during the summer break...
However, let's see if they get lucky tomorrow to get 1-2 Points...

Merc are lost, and have been ever since Canada/Valencia. They have no development path.

[sidmiester]

thanks. had no idea...

well... even for mike i dont think he can single handle improve this team atm....if he joined now lol...probably will take 4-5 races to probably see some major improvement.

[fiohaa]

Michael will not continue next year and it will be the best he can do ...

actually from what ive read it seems pretty likely that michael is going to do another year, and, judging by his recent performances, he clearly still has the ability.

he had a PB in S1 in q2 but got into the dust of Maldo which cost him - even so - Rosberg, who had a clear lap, showing that the car wasn't even capable of getting in Q3.

is this the first time this year that they simply havent even had raw pace to get into Q3?
its hilarious that teams like lotus, sauber, force india, and williams - all of whom will have less money and resources than mercedes....and are now performing better than mercedes at the half way stage.

shocking.

[marcush.]

One got almost the impression they are developping backwards...
Sauber will catch them tomorrow as their race will clearly go forward when Mercedes will match them for a few laps and then slowly fade away..
If not now when has zetsche had enough of this.

[Neno]

One got almost the impression they are developping backwards...
Sauber will catch them tomorrow as their race will clearly go forward when Mercedes will match them for a few laps and then slowly fade away..
If not now when has zetsche had enough of this.

I think not, they not devolopping anything in recent time, last time when they made progress was Barcelona update (new rear bodywork, new front wing, etc.). last few races they change only small parts on front wing and that is it. maybe updates are under bodywork, but they not working properly. why because when you compare Ferrari vs Merc from Australia to Hockenhaim, you see great proggres from Scuderia (properly one and half second and Merc had at least half of second in their hands in China on quickest Ferrari.) They lost their advantage too fast. And one more thing, their race pace is bad, but that is bigger problem because they in past had qualy advantage and in race was ok. Now without qualy advantage is even worse for their race pace (tyers).

[mep]

In fairness to them they might develop stuff but the parts they put in the wind channel might just not show any improvement. So they leave the cars as they are. They have staff and we can assume they are not just idling around. So it might be more that they just don't have a glue how to get things working.

[LionKing]

In other words, the problem is not slacking but just plain incompetence