Mclaren Honda 2015

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As well as the on track issues with the car, McLaren have the off track issue of what to do with Vandoorne.

Obviously he cannot stay in GP2 next season, and with Vasseur's comments it doesn't look like McLaren will be able to find him another seat for next season. With Alonso signed up to the end of 2017, and Button saying he can't wait to drive the 2017 cars, you have the very real prospect of Vandoorne being 26 by the time they are able to give him a drive.

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I am waiting for that season when the Merc will be sandwiched by the Honda Power to the right and the Ferrari power on the left, 2016 or 2017 guys? when will the grid light up to such a competition?

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Jonnycraig wrote:As well as the on track issues with the car, McLaren have the off track issue of what to do with Vandoorne.

Obviously he cannot stay in GP2 next season, and with Vasseur's comments it doesn't look like McLaren will be able to find him another seat for next season. With Alonso signed up to the end of 2017, and Button saying he can't wait to drive the 2017 cars, you have the very real prospect of Vandoorne being 26 by the time they are able to give him a drive.
If RB & TR pull the plug, Mclaren, Ferrari & Mercedes will run 3rd cars, so maybe there will be a chance for him to take that seat, otherwise I agree with you that there is simply no room at the grid for him at the moment or the near future if things stay as they are at the moment.
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bauc wrote: If RB & TR pull the plug, Mclaren, Ferrari & Mercedes will run 3rd cars, so maybe there will be a chance for him to take that seat, otherwise I agree with you that there is simply no room at the grid for him at the moment or the near future if things stay as they are at the moment.
This!!!!! OMG isn't it so obvious now? Well obvious might be wrong but maybe...just MAYBE, Button was waiting on a Red Bull & Torro Rosso pull out to enable an extra car at Mercedes & Ferrari. Maybe he wanted to keep his options open to switch to one of those teams?

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Not going to happen this late. If a third car/team is going to be entered, it'll be for 2017 the earliest.
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turbof1 wrote:Not going to happen this late. If a third car/team is going to be entered, it'll be for 2017 the earliest.
Looks like Mercedes, like with the current power units, are also ahead of that as well, although they still want Red Bull in F1 ironically: http://www.crash.net/f1/news/223642/1/m ... -plan.html
crash.net wrote:Toto Wolff says Mercedes will be prepared to run three cars next season should Red Bull, Toro Rosso and Red Bull be forced out the sport, but he insists the priority is to prevent them from exiting.

As per its sporting and commercial agreements, F1 must field a grid of no less than 20 full-time entries or be forced to enact a motion to request certain teams to begin running three cars, starting with Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren and – ironically – Red Bull.

Though this was raised as a distinct possibility last season when Caterham and Marussia folded towards the end of 2014, the latter's return as Manor avoided that enforcement.

However, with Red Bull and Toro Rosso now at risk – as well as Lotus if its sale to Renault doesn't follow through -, at worst F1 faces the loss of six cars from its grid and only two to take their place from the incoming Haas team.

Indeed, though Mercedes has had an indirect hand in Red Bull's potential exit over its refusal to supply engines next season, Wolff hinted that Mercedes will prepare for every eventuality if the teams withdraw.

“If a team would leave, and we had this discussion about Lotus a while ago, third cars are a solution to fill up the grid. For me personally it is a pretty exciting idea.

“I'd rather have Red Bull in the sport than third cars and a grid of 27 or 28 cars and some exciting young drivers in those cars, but this is definitely one of the fall-back solutions. I think priority number one is to keep them in the sport.”
EDIT: Seems that crash.net don't pay much attention to grammar, but the picture remains the same.
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turbof1 wrote:Not going to happen this late. If a third car/team is going to be entered, it'll be for 2017 the earliest.
They would also likely be 2015 spec and ineligible for points, so even if Vandoorne got into a McLaren third car, he would be in a race with himself every weekend.

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Superdowg136, Mercedes and perhaps Ferrari might be the only teams capable of bringing in a third car at this point. They have vast resources at their disposal.

All the others have their schedules scewed down to the bone. The first GP of 2016 has been brought forward by 3 weeks. It'll be very tough already to get all the materials ready for 2 cars. Imagine them now having to bring a third one.

Looking at the date of the article, I think if you ask Mercedes again now they'll be much less inclined. Again due season starting earlier.
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Jonnycraig wrote:
turbof1 wrote:Not going to happen this late. If a third car/team is going to be entered, it'll be for 2017 the earliest.
They would also likely be 2015 spec and ineligible for points, so even if Vandoorne got into a McLaren third car, he would be in a race with himself every weekend.
Is it not easier and cheaper to have 3x 1 spec, than 2 x spec A and 1 x spec B?
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From Memory, I think only Ferrari, Mclaren and Redbull would have the option of a 3rd car. I believe this was covered in the 2012 agreement.

Anyway are we not slightly off topic?
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WilliamsF1 wrote:I think the biggest mistake was the MP4-29H

They should have used a different car, either the RA108 DW12 or SF14 and continued to run it every day between November and February even if it snowed at Suzuka
They should use a different car, but not at suzuka. They should go somewhere extremely hot. If they would optimise the engine to work well on hot tracks, they would solve the problems of cooling.
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Given the concept of "Size zero" and the current color of livery, I would have liked Coca cola to be the main sponsor. "Coke Zero" fits in so well with the entire image.

Being the largest beverage company, they have presence in almost all the markets where F1 is broadcast and even the racing event takes place

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@Damager21, sounds great and it would look great as well on the car, but I believe Coca Cola is already in F1 via Monster Energy sponsoring Mercedes AMG.
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bauc wrote:@Damager21, sounds great and it would look great as well on the car, but I believe Coca Cola is already in F1 via Monster Energy sponsoring Mercedes AMG.
I take it that's why Burn isn't on the Lotus cars anymore? Even then though, they are owned by Monster who were sponsoring Mercedes at that time and it didn't have a Merc connection back then so you never know...
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Whats the value to coco cola or any sponsor having their name on the mclaren at the moment?