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CMSMJ1 wrote:A double cam, four valve head...
Can't be, already the 1969 Ferrari V12 and the 1970-80 Flat-12s had that.
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CMSMJ1 wrote:A double cam, four valve head...
Can't be, already the 1969 Ferrari V12 and the 1970-80 Flat-12s had that.
IMO the V12 and the flat 12s had double cams but only two valves per cylinder. I'm open to learn different if someone can show a spec.

CMSMJ1 wrote: four valve head...
DFV is an abbreviation for Double Four Valves engine.

Yes, Ferrari did use two valve heads before in F1. The Tipo 021 had four valves for the first time IMO.

This technology was first developed by Peugeot in 1912 by Jules Goux, Paolo Zuccarelli, and Georges Boillot (collectively called Les Charlatans), with 26 year old Swiss engineer Ernest Henry. They build a DOHC 7.6 liter four cylinder (110x200 mm) with four valves per cylinder.
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sorry but i´m very sure that 015 is a four valve layout...

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marcush. wrote:sorry but i´m very sure that 015 is a four valve layout...
Any spec or drawing to support that opinion.
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Good Lord WB, you messed up badly this time, not that I have any illusions you will ever agree to it. :lol:

http://www.f1technical.net/f1db/cars/244

http://www.f1technical.net/f1db/cars/256
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My apologies for that screw up. Ferrari switched to 3 valves/cylinder in 1967 and four valves in 1968 apparently. Sloppy research I'm afraid.
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Right whilst the facts are sorted out, I am claiming back a go that I still have in hand fro m a few weeks ago.

Name the driver and the car.

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sorry not the best drawing, but you will see it.

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some info from ultimate cars

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A mere five years after last drastically changing the regulations and for the fourth time in less than two decades, the sport's governing body (CSI) was at it again for the 1966 Formula 1 season; once more rendering all racers of the previous season(s) obsolete. This time round, the displacement limit was doubled from 1.5 litres to 3 litres for Naturally Aspirated engines and forced induction was allowed again with a maximum displacement of 1.5 litres. Although the company was known for its conservatism, the rule changes had worked well for Ferrari 1952 and 1961 and as the three litre regulations seemed perfectly suited to the Italian manufacturer, success was expected again.

While most of the British teams, or 'Garagists' as Enzo Ferrari used to call them, had to rely on their engine suppliers to get ready in time, Ferrari had the advantage of doing everything in house. Unfortunately there was not enough time and/or money available for chief engineer Mauro Forghieri to start from scratch, so he used the 3.3 litre engine from the 275 P2 sports racer as a base for the new V12 F1 engine. Much of the engine block was carried over, but the single overhead camshaft head was replaced by a modern dual overhead camshaft unit, but still with just two valves per cylinder. The 300 bhp engine was installed in a beefed up version of the chassis used in the previous season to create the Ferrari 312 F1.

Even though only two other teams had three litre engines at the start of the season, Ferrari failed miserably to make their mark in a championship that seemed theirs for the taking. The new V12 engine proved so unreliable that the team was forced to field updated V6-engined cars in some races. Considering all this, it was quite remarkable that John Surtees and Ludovico Scarfiotti managed to win a race each. Surtees finished second behind Jack Brabham in the driver's championship and Ferrari in the constructor's championship behind Brabham. These might look like quite an achievement, but it is mainly due to the even poorer performance from the likes of BRM and Lotus, who campaigned the overly complex BRM H16 engines.

Behind the scenes Forghieri continued to work frantically to up the ante for 1967. Much work was carried out on the cylinder heads, which now sported three valves per cylinder, with two for the intake. The intake trumpets were installed between the camshafts and a wild bunch of beautiful 'spaghetti' exhausts were mounted inside the engine's V. All these changes significantly increased the performance, peaking at 390 bhp at 10,000 rpm. Forghieri also drastically modified the chassis to shed over 50 kg, bringing the 1967 version of the 312 F1 considerably closer to the 500 kg limit.

The season started off not too happy when 1964 World Champion John Surtees left the team. Sadly it did not get much better when Lorenzo Bandini died from injuries incurred at the Monaco Grand Prix and it got even worse when Mike Parkes was forced to retire from Grand Prix racing after suffering serious burns after a crash in the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa. Just four races into the season, much of the pressure was now on the very young Chris Amon and he did very well to achieve four third place finishes. Even though the Brabham team dominated once more through consistency, the Lotus team with the new Cosworth DFV engines were a bigger worry for Ferrari, which had dropped to fourth in the constructor's standings.

For 1968, the 312 F1 was further lightened and now came with a four-valve per cylinder engine producing 410 bhp. In this watershed season when Formula 1 cars first featured sponsors' stickers and wings, the Ferrari drivers were able to match the pace of the 'Garagists', but were almost always let down by poor reliability from the very stressed engine. Nevertheless Jacky Ickx took a victory in the French Grand Prix after a smart tactical decision. At the end of the season Ickx and Ferrari were fourth in both standings. Little changed for 1969 when a single car was campaigned by Amon, while Forghieri worked restlessly back at the factory on the all new flat-12 engined car for 1970. Amon finished the season in twelfth and Ferrari in fifth.

Even though starting the period with high hopes, Ferrari completed the first four years of the three-litre era with just three wins. The British teams were always one step ahead first with the incredibly reliable Repco enfines and later with the fully stressed Cosworth DFV V8. In the next years Forghieri continued to work to catch up and before the introduction of the Turbocharged Renaults, Ferrari was the only team that could successfully compete with the Cosworth powered 'kit-cars'.


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Whiting Surtees-Cosworth TS19, Divina Galica, 1977
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Correct driver, wrong car and year.

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changed it!

I was misled by the Olympus sponsorship that it was the Hesketh.
Dann kam ein Surtees TS19 mit Sponsorship vom Shell und Southern Organs für die britische Formel 5000, ehe Einsätze im Olympus Hesketh Ford und in der Britischen Formel 1-Meisterschaft folgten.
Grandprix.com also says that the Olympus sponsorship was first done to Hesketh in 1978. But the Hesketh looked very different.

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that was British GP 1976 surtees TS16 chassis no4

unfortunatelly miss galica did nor qualify for the race...the car uually started in aurora series were she was quite successful but was converted to DFV spec for the brit GP.
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I give up! Everyone's looking for an arguement today! #-o

According to my source WB is correct.

http://forix.autosport.com/8w/galica.html

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..I got a book GrandPrix yearbook of 1976 lying in front of me (!) giving a picture of a TS19 ..that car looks totally different...and Galica is mentioned with no ,chasis and all...

edit googled again WB is correct.
The yearbook must be wrong.. #-o

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The olympus car is a TS19 and the year is 1978 ,as 1977 was shell sponsorship with that car ..later in the year she used the hesketh...

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Formula1 has seen problems with tyres on high speed tracks several times. One notorious example is the USGP from 2005 in Indianapolis. As an unsatisfactory solution to Michelin's tyre problem the race was run with only six Bridgestone shod cars.

When a similar problem arose for the first time the organizers came to a much better solution. Instead of one race with 60 laps they ran two races with 30 laps. When and where was the race held?
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