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andrew wrote:Remember, the brake is always an option and you live to fight another day. If Hamilton had used his brain abnd been patient he would have probably been at least 4th.
Reposting this since we have arm chair driver
I guess he could just press the brakes harder? The only option Lewis had once Maldonado decided to 'close the door' was to cut the corner, which he did to some extent. With overtaking moves done under braking, especially 'out braking', the attacking driver is commited to the move and puts his trust in the lead driver using his mirrors. It's down to the attacker to judge the situation correctly, and it's possible Lewis misjudged this one and made a move from too far back. Regardless, there was no backing out once the move was made.
The drivers have an agreement with each other that they won't move around in braking zones - closing the door late effecitvely, because in F1 it will almost always result in a crash. When making these passes the drivers push the cars to the limit of their stopping ability, there's no such thing as backing out. Unfortunately, it's not like overtaking lorries in your hatch back.
Another great point that most don't even realise what cars can and can't do...
andrew wrote:Remember, the brake is always an option and you live to fight another day. If Hamilton had used his brain abnd been patient he would have probably been at least 4th.
Reposting this since we have arm chair driver
I guess he could just press the brakes harder? The only option Lewis had once Maldonado decided to 'close the door' was to cut the corner, which he did to some extent.
Armchair driver? I would point out that you know nothing about me so don’t make wild guesses about people. Secondly, I don’t have an armchair.
There is no backing out? Wrong. Seen plenty of drivers give up on a move and try again later. No matter how you dress it up, it boils down to the same thing. Hamilton screwed up.
He could have cut the corner as this would have been infinitely more sensible but there is no point looking at ifs buts or what could have been.
HampusA wrote:Maldo did not close anything. There was never anything open to begin with.
Have you watched the video a few posts above? You can see the normal racing line. He turned in there is no question about it....
Maldonado took the correct racing line as he is entitled to do so. Hamilton came steaming up and to be honest I don't think he was evr going to make the corner without using Maldonado as a brake.
HampusA wrote:Maldo did not close anything. There was never anything open to begin with.
You're right They weren't along side each other on the straight, and Hamilton didn't make the exact same move on Schumacher without incident.
And you're right – Mandy didn't turn in early:
And hamilton wasn't already braking heavily to get out of the situation in the above photo, because as you can see, he is clearly still up by the front wheels as we saw in the earlier shot.
And you're right – Hamilton didn't take any avoiding action to cut the corner and avoid the crash, while Mandy gave him tons of room to make the apex:
Wait no – those are all bullshit. Mandy moved 4 times to defend on the straight, Hamilton got along side even though he did that, while still not in the braking zone. Mandy noticed, and turned in early. Hamilton took avoiding action, and Mandy went straight for the apex giving exactly 0 room.
There is absolutely no way this crash was Hamilton's fault.
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HampusA wrote:Maldo did not close anything. There was never anything open to begin with.
Have you watched the video a few posts above? You can see the normal racing line. He turned in there is no question about it....
Maldonado took the correct racing line as he is entitled to do so. Hamilton came steaming up and to be honest I don't think he was evr going to make the corner without using Maldonado as a brake.
Look at the car in front of maldonado and the car after hamilton, thats the racing line. He turned into Hamilton there is no question about it.
enkidu wrote:Look at the car in front of maldonado and the car after hamilton, thats the racing line. He turned into Hamilton there is no question about it.
No he did not!
Hamilton drove into Maldonado and completely altered Maldo's line through the corner.
enkidu wrote:Look at the car in front of maldonado and the car after hamilton, thats the racing line. He turned into Hamilton there is no question about it.
No he did not!
Hamilton drove into Maldonado and completely altered Maldo's line through the corner.
With all due respect I do not believe I am at all.
enkidu wrote:This is how it should have been done with 2 great drivers....
Firstly I only see 1 great driver. The other is just a young pretender.
If anything Schumacher gave up - lets face it the guy is wonderfully ruthless when the equipment doesn't let him down! His tyres were shot so there was no point defending as Hamilton was bound to get past at some point.
enkidu wrote:Look at the car in front of maldonado and the car after hamilton, thats the racing line. He turned into Hamilton there is no question about it.
No he did not!
Hamilton drove into Maldonado and completely altered Maldo's line through the corner.
C'mon, try to understand the GENIUS. He has created by himself a new manouver: being hit by the rear bumper of the car ahead without any fault!
We should call this "The Lewis Manouver". You simply slide to the inner part of the apex, when the car ahead of you is going for it. Three times in a row. Then, you try to look aggravated.
In a fight, people would be hitting his fist with their chins.
He has shown us that you NEED TWO PERSONS to make a clear punch: the one giving the hit, and the one receiving it, who has to move away. If you get punched, it is your fault!
Hamilton is so great and so, so, so good, that everybody has an urge to ruin his race by crashing him with the rear wheel.
He had the fastest car and those engineers, who apparently cannot understand telepathic commands, failed again. There is no way to find good servants these days.
It's so unjust!
Even Alguersuari has been unable to understand that simple concept: when there is an accident, the fastest car of the race will test-brake you with impunity.
You HAVE to wonder why people don't move away when they feel Ham breathing in their necks.
Haven't THEY learned anything?
Now, wait while I find six excuses for the six incidents that were the fault of others. It's clear to me that when you crash six times, it must be a conspiracy.
No wonder he has threatened to quit F1. God, please, give him inspiration. He should start a new series for him alone. Those other driver don't deserve him. Listen to him, in all his greatness:
""In all honesty I will never stop racing the way I do. It’s the way I do it. That’s what got me here, it is the way I am. I don’t do it to offend people or to hurt anyone. I do it because I love racing. I feel like I can do it better than others."
Sure he can do better than others.
Darn, if he had had Vettel in his sights! He would have crashed him to victory. Crash, crash to heaven, Ham! Your doing well. Your fans approve. They are as smart as you.
"Who is the great fool? The idiot or the person that continues to fight with him?"
Mmmmm. I don't know. Let me guess. The idiot?
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The only option Lewis had once Maldonado decided to 'close the door' was to cut the corner, which he did to some extent. With overtaking moves done under braking, especially 'out braking', the attacking driver is commited to the move and puts his trust in the lead driver using his mirrors. It's down to the attacker to judge the situation correctly, and it's possible Lewis misjudged this one and made a move from too far back. Regardless, there was no backing out once the move was made.
