2026 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, May 22 - 24

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Re: 2026 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, May 22 - 24

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AR3-GP wrote:
25 May 2026, 19:43
avantman wrote:
25 May 2026, 19:36
AR3-GP wrote:
25 May 2026, 18:32
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Mercedes are in a completely different universe.
…Than Ferrari and Red bull, we can not say the same about Mclaren yet, can we?. Would be interesting to see Merc real pace next to Norris in a normal Canadian race - the only driver-car combo that was capable of challenging them or at least come anywhere near with some extra luck, as we saw both in Miami and Canada sprint. Red bull and Ferrari have zero chance even with all the luck.
Too bad mclaren did their best to prevent Lando from defending his title, as he was the only one capable of making this season somewhat remotely exciting, providing Mclaren next updates work. After Canada he officially has no chance given the points gap. This now feels like 2014 all over again, but with lower quality drivers in Mercedes cockpits.
Mclarens had no chance. At the start of the sprint, the Mercs were half a second a lap quicker than Lando while having 6 lap old mediums when Lando had new ones. :lol: The only reason he got involved in the sprint later on is because the Mercs started fighting really hard and losing time.

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Stella also said after the race that he didn't feel that Mclaren could have done much to trouble the Mercs. Mclarens would have been around where Hamilton was. On top of that, they appear to have bungled their first upgrade in a long while. This carries a high penalty with the budget cap and limited development hours. You've sunk cost and resources with no benefit. Even if they go back to the windtunnel and tweak it, they still wasted resources that they could hardly afford to since they have the smallest windtunnel and CFD allocations.

The season is a write off after 5 races. It is what it is.
Sprint isn't very reliable metric, as mercedes probably made the car worse given their comments, whereas mclaren made it better for main Q and the race. Anyway I’m not saying he would be fighting them on genuine pace, but he would at least still be there closer than Lewis and Max were to capitalize on their mistakes. as you said Norris was between Merca in sprint only because them fighting and losing time and it was not at all different during the first 30 laps of the p race on Sunday. They were making even more mistakes and losing a lot of racetime, at least 8-10 sec by my estimations.
Without Mclaren and Norris behind them Mercedes drivers can make every mistake in the world, collect two 5 second penalties for track limits (Kimi was in three strikes by the way) and still win with ease having only red bull or ferrari behind . Norris would certainly be much closer than Lewis was and Mclaren with failed upgrades or without is still certainly by far the faster car, especially on a power circuit such as Canada. Canadian Sprint laptime data which you referred to backs that up. Probability of him winning that was of course very low, that would make the race much more exciting and forced mercedes show more of their true pace on the 2nd stint.

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Silence from the " Leclerc is better than George" crowd. Which is the popular narrative. Leclerc can pull disappearing acts and get away with and nobody notices. Because the narrative mob likes him. Same as Piastri.

The only time Hamilton had anything on George was 2023 when he was 3 years younger. And George had only been at the team for one year.

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TeamKoolGreen wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:14
Silence from the " Leclerc is better than George" crowd. Which is the popular narrative. Leclerc can pull disappearing acts and get away with and nobody notices. Because the narrative mob likes him. Same as Piastri.
Same as George. Miami was only 2 weeks ago.
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TeamKoolGreen wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:14
Silence from the " Leclerc is better than George" crowd. Which is the popular narrative. Leclerc can pull disappearing acts and get away with and nobody notices. Because the narrative mob likes him. Same as Piastri.

The only time Hamilton had anything on George was 2023 when he was 3 years younger. And George had only been at the team for one year.
I think we all should agree then that Norris is better than them all. You would never see him that much off and far behind his teammate even at his worst weekends. And one could argue he has the strongest teammate as well.

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I'd agree that Norris shows a high level of consistency across tracks that some others have not. Norris doesn't have any bogey tracks that I can recall. Solid across all types of track conditions, wet, low grip, high grip, as well. With the benefit of time and hindsight, he's the underrated one out of that group of drivers.
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AR3-GP wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:59
I'd agree that Norris shows a high level of consistency across tracks that some others have not. Norris doesn't have any bogey tracks that I can recall. Solid across all types of track conditions, wet, low grip, high grip, as well. With the benefit of time and hindsight, he's the underrated one out of that group of drivers.
He is underrated only by the casual fans and also F1 media, that also tend to overrate Russell and especially Leclerc a bit.
But if we look up TP drivers rankings over the past 5 years(2021-2025] we’ll see this and very different picture:
LEC 5th, 2nd, 4th, 3rd, 7th
RUS 8th, 3rd, 9th, 6th, 4th
NOR 3rd, 6th, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd
Is Norris underrated? Hell no! It just depends who you ask.

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AR3-GP wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:41
TeamKoolGreen wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:14
Silence from the " Leclerc is better than George" crowd. Which is the popular narrative. Leclerc can pull disappearing acts and get away with and nobody notices. Because the narrative mob likes him. Same as Piastri.
Same as George. Miami was only 2 weeks ago.
Russell beat Hamilton in 2022, 2024 and 2025 in Miami and was on the podium in 2025. His "bogey" track.

I believe George is better than Leclerc. But it's fair to think Leclerc is better. I just don't think they are analyzed fairly by fans or the media

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avantman wrote:
25 May 2026, 12:54
Mercedes Duel in Montreal - A thriller Until Lap 30 | 13 full onboard laps w/ radio

https://youtu.be/kns-wRGi35Y?si=1UZ6cobyJfwfq5xw
That was far far lesser quality battle than I initially thought. All overtaking looksd still horrible and mario kart. Even big mistakes made by both drivers weren't forced, all completely unforced. Russell going off track to defend the position in the final chicane lap 24. This is why he was under investigation. Not as bad as blatant as Max vs Ham in Brazil in 2021 but in essence exactly the same violation.
Looking up laptime data sheets, the ultimate winner lost around 8-10 seconds of race time during that fight with teammate, making those mistakes and switching positions. After Russell retirement he was obviously cruising whereas drivers behind pushing flatout (yes, this still happens in F1 at times). Once again our championship leader won a one- horse race, well done. ! 👏
It was just fake racing set up by Toto to keep these s**t PU rules.

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TeamKoolGreen wrote:
26 May 2026, 00:24
AR3-GP wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:41
TeamKoolGreen wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:14
Silence from the " Leclerc is better than George" crowd. Which is the popular narrative. Leclerc can pull disappearing acts and get away with and nobody notices. Because the narrative mob likes him. Same as Piastri.
Same as George. Miami was only 2 weeks ago.
Russell beat Hamilton in 2022, 2024 and 2025 in Miami and was on the podium in 2025. His "bogey" track.

I believe George is better than Leclerc. But it's fair to think Leclerc is better. I just don't think they are analyzed fairly by fans or the media
Hamilton gapped Russell by 15 seconds at Miami in 2024 bud..

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FW17 wrote:
26 May 2026, 05:17


It was just fake racing set up by Toto to keep these s**t PU rules.
That is what I also think. Not really fake, because there are no signs for turning one of them down, but they just let this run for the show. Last year Toto said that he would stop it when McLaren let the drivers half race.
Don`t russel the hamster!

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Re: 2026 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, May 22 - 24

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TeamKoolGreen wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:14
Silence from the " Leclerc is better than George" crowd. Which is the popular narrative. Leclerc can pull disappearing acts and get away with and nobody notices. Because the narrative mob likes him. Same as Piastri.

The only time Hamilton had anything on George was 2023 when he was 3 years younger. And George had only been at the team for one year.
Have you already forgotten Miami? :/

Either way, I always hate these arguments after like ONE weekend. People judging Leclerc vs Russell are likely and reasonably doing so over larger periods of time, not on a per weekend basis. lol

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avantman wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:52
TeamKoolGreen wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:14
Silence from the " Leclerc is better than George" crowd. Which is the popular narrative. Leclerc can pull disappearing acts and get away with and nobody notices. Because the narrative mob likes him. Same as Piastri.

The only time Hamilton had anything on George was 2023 when he was 3 years younger. And George had only been at the team for one year.
I think we all should agree then that Norris is better than them all. You would never see him that much off and far behind his teammate even at his worst weekends. And one could argue he has the strongest teammate as well.
I would mostly strongly agree that Norris is BEHIND Leclerc and Russell. I dont even know how you argue otherwise. Norris was even fairly disappointing even in the two past years having the best car. :/

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basti313 wrote:
26 May 2026, 11:35
FW17 wrote:
26 May 2026, 05:17


It was just fake racing set up by Toto to keep these s**t PU rules.
That is what I also think. Not really fake, because there are no signs for turning one of them down, but they just let this run for the show. Last year Toto said that he would stop it when McLaren let the drivers half race.

Spot On. =D> =D>

Soooo tired of politics in F1

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Seanspeed wrote:
26 May 2026, 11:37
avantman wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:52
TeamKoolGreen wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:14
Silence from the " Leclerc is better than George" crowd. Which is the popular narrative. Leclerc can pull disappearing acts and get away with and nobody notices. Because the narrative mob likes him. Same as Piastri.

The only time Hamilton had anything on George was 2023 when he was 3 years younger. And George had only been at the team for one year.
I think we all should agree then that Norris is better than them all. You would never see him that much off and far behind his teammate even at his worst weekends. And one could argue he has the strongest teammate as well.
I would mostly strongly agree that Norris is BEHIND Leclerc and Russell. I dont even know how you argue otherwise. Norris was even fairly disappointing even in the two past years having the best car. :/

No ways in hell is George better than Lando. Charles is also overrated. Same level as Lando.

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De Wet wrote:
26 May 2026, 15:21
Seanspeed wrote:
26 May 2026, 11:37
avantman wrote:
25 May 2026, 21:52


I think we all should agree then that Norris is better than them all. You would never see him that much off and far behind his teammate even at his worst weekends. And one could argue he has the strongest teammate as well.
I would mostly strongly agree that Norris is BEHIND Leclerc and Russell. I dont even know how you argue otherwise. Norris was even fairly disappointing even in the two past years having the best car. :/

No ways in hell is George better than Lando. Charles is also overrated. Same level as Lando.
Oh no we are straying off topic but it does relate to this weekend. Norris is kind of low key on form, quali and race starts were good this weekend. If I had to pick three drivers on the grid for a team, Max-Lando-Kimi 100%