2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

[rogazilla]

The fact he Hartley is ahead of both mcca driver I think the upgrade works.

[hasika]

Hartley only changed ICE for this race,Gasly changed all components.
So maybe some issues from new MGU-H or MGU-K？Anyway,hope they can find what happened soon.

[techman]

brendon needs to go. he cant rise to pressure. monaco his fp3 was quicker and here his q1 was quicker, the dude doesnt know how to get more time when there is more pressure. i just hope pascal takes his seat, regardless of what the result is here. gas was unlucky. damn honda why now?

[techman]

it a shame. toro has a bunch of rookie drivers and low budget, i hope redbull bench test these engine before making the decision. because the car and the rookies doesnt reflect the true potential of the package

[AJI]

Hartley only changed ICE for this race,Gasly changed all components.
So maybe some issues from new MGU-H or MGU-K？Anyway,hope they can find what happened soon.

Only Hartley got the upgrade. There was a problem with Gasly's unit, so he ran the old unit.

[AJI]

it a shame. toro has a bunch of rookie drivers and low budget, i hope redbull bench test these engine before making the decision. because the car and the rookies doesnt reflect the true potential of the package

I'm sure RB get too look at the bench data from both manufacturers, but unless they are on the same bench in identical conditions there'll be a fair amount of deviation in the data...
Either way, from Cyril's comments about RB not being able to win with Honda and the fact that STR out qualified McLaren, it's looking a lot like RB Honda in 2019

[techman]

Either way, from Cyril's comments about RB not being able to win with Honda and the fact that STR out qualified McLaren, it's looking a lot like RB Honda in 2019

well i hope. renault best chance of wining is with redbull and they are begging redbull to choose them. but saying bad things about honda is the wrong thing to do.

[techman]

32 1:19.880
33 1:17.722
34 1:17.223
35 1:17.282
36 1:17.316
37 1:16.986

gasly usoft tyre pace was the best of the rest. damn that honda engine.f

[nzjrs]

Hartley only changed ICE for this race,Gasly changed all components.
So maybe some issues from new MGU-H or MGU-K？Anyway,hope they can find what happened soon.

Only Hartley got the upgrade. There was a problem with Gasly's unit, so he ran the old unit.

Obviously. He was speculating on the cause of the problem

[McHonda]

It's easier and less time consuming to just switch a full unit out rather than try to remove specific parts. We'll find out when it gets shipped back to Sakura what the specifics were.

[search]

32 1:19.880
33 1:17.722
34 1:17.223
35 1:17.282
36 1:17.316
37 1:16.986

gasly usoft tyre pace was the best of the rest. damn that honda engine.f

that's from the supersoft stint, isn't it?! The pace was decent, but Force India for example was way quicker. Also Leclerc's pace was more or less similar

[AJI]

Hartley only changed ICE for this race,Gasly changed all components.
So maybe some issues from new MGU-H or MGU-K？Anyway,hope they can find what happened soon.

Only Hartley got the upgrade. There was a problem with Gasly's unit, so he ran the old unit.

Obviously. He was speculating on the cause of the problem

It wasn't obvious at all, and how do we know there wasn't a problem with a specific component in Gasly's new ICE?
If they're both running the previous spec K and H, but Hartley clearly has more power, isn't it safe to assume the ICE is where the big gains are?
Either way, I agree with him that I hope they find the problem soon.

[McHonda]

What kind of half a second engine upgrade leaves no difference in speed traps or top speed?

You can't just assume Gasly had as good a lap because it's Gasly against Hartley. How would those assumptions have played out at Mercedes and McLaren?

Hartley had 2ths on Gasly in S3 which is just two straights and a chicane so at least start from there before jumping to half a second for little good reason.

[Soichiro]

What kind of half a second engine upgrade leaves no difference in speed traps or top speed?

You can't just assume Gasly had as good a lap because it's Gasly against Hartley. How would those assumptions have played out at Mercedes and McLaren?

Hartley had 2ths on Gasly in S3 which is just two straights and a chicane so at least start from there before jumping to half a second for little good reason.

Hartley had the highest speed trap in one of FPs. Also power through the whole range is what matters not just highest power and could make an effect when you have an accelerate/brake/accelerate... situation - even on slight corner in the middle of the straight - you have to go off and back on the throttle - there you would also notice the power difference in the time measurement.

But some of those 0.5s, could be down to older/worn engine, a 0.2-0.3 would be more realistic, I guess - maybe someone with more background knowledge could provide us with a better explanation.

[restless]

Hartley was faster in all FPs. And In Q2 he was 0.3sec slower than his Q1 time
And qualy results are 3:3, so I cant get from where people get the impression that Gasly is faster in QUALIFICATIONS.
Usually Gasly had better race pace...