Jenson Button has made yet another correct tyre call on a damp Shangai track. When most changed to inters, the World Champion kept his tyres and went on to win the Chinese GP. Lewis Hamilton helped McLaren secure a 1-2 finish, ahead of Rosberg and Alonso.
Maybe stuff is noticed but, because the stewards try (at least) try to be impartial they don't look at things in the way that fans do. Fans will always see things that affect "their" driver / team as "obviously requiring punishment".mx_tifosi wrote: Stewards need to wake the hell up! I seriously can't believe how so much stuff went unnoticed.
It's a safety issue. Don't let your bias cloud your judgement. Safety issues shouldn't be ignored. You're wrong, he should be handed a heavy penalty for this race and the next. Doesn't matter who was released when, he almost spun trying to get out ahead of Vettel (who was ahead to begin with0 and then he stayed next to him crossing over the line into other pit stalls. That's blatantly illegal, Vettel had no obligation to give a driver room that wasn't ahead of him to begin with and he should have backed off and gotten back over the line in accordance with regulations.ringo wrote: Vettel shunted Lewis who had to go against Webber, Hamilton had nowhere to go.
I think the real infringements are Petrov for weaving again. Massa for moving twice again; the safety car thing with Button.
Hamilton is clear of all charges, he and Vettel were released the same exact time; no fault of the lolipop man for trying to react quicker than redbull's . Hamilton waited beside him until he was released. Vettel gave no room; so I think that one will be overlooked.
No, Alonso should face the exact same consequences as Hamilton for their overtaking of Massa and Vettel, respectively, in the pitalane entry. Alonso got his drive through penalty for jumping the gun; fine. I recognize all of that. But Hamilton made more 3-4 mistakes that deserved more attention from the officials.Just_a_fan wrote:Maybe stuff is noticed but, because the stewards try (at least) try to be impartial they don't look at things in the way that fans do. Fans will always see things that affect "their" driver / team as "obviously requiring punishment".mx_tifosi wrote: Stewards need to wake the hell up! I seriously can't believe how so much stuff went unnoticed.
That is the way with racing...
Why in the world should've Vettel given room to Hamilton in the pitlane?? Vettel had the right of way as he was in the proper driving zone while Hamilton was in the working zone. If anything, Hamilton had to yield to Vettel in that instance as to get himself out of the area where he was endangering the pitstop crews.ringo wrote:Hamilton is clear of all charges, he and Vettel were released the same exact time; no fault of the lolipop man for trying to react quicker than redbull's . Hamilton waited beside him until he was released. Vettel gave no room; so I think that one will be overlooked.
That the problem they have. If they do something, it'll be deemed as heavy-handed as in most cases, no harm was caused. However if they don't they'll be seen to be too inconsistent.The Local Ride wrote:Fabulous race. Wonder what the stewards will do re the incidents?
Does no one think that Button causing the almost pile up was a bit dodgy?
If he gets away with it will every driver in the front after a SC not try the same?
Thank you =D>Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:Lap 28: Replays show that Vettel was trying a move up the inside on Hamilton at the final corner as the field came round for the restart. Hamilton jinked slightly to his right to avoid contact and nerfed the other Red Bull belonging to Webber, sending the Australian off the road at the final corner.
You're completely wrong. Maybe you haven't been watching F1 for long, but there is no impartiality in the Formula 1 stewards at all. They consistently don't levy penalties in a timely manner or in accordance with common sense or written regulations. They are not objective in any way, that's proven by Alonso's drive through three laps after it happened and Lewis not getting a consideration for penalty until after the race. If that doesn't tell you they are complete morons, I don't know how else to say it.Just_a_fan wrote:Maybe stuff is noticed but, because the stewards try (at least) try to be impartial they don't look at things in the way that fans do. Fans will always see things that affect "their" driver / team as "obviously requiring punishment".mx_tifosi wrote: Stewards need to wake the hell up! I seriously can't believe how so much stuff went unnoticed.
That is the way with racing...
There were no incidents today that couldn't be solved with proper use of common sense and using already written regulations. You seem to miss those facts.Just_a_fan wrote: Anyway, I enjoyed the race - lots of incidents for the various factions to ying-yang with...
IT IS a safety issue...However, it was seen in the past wothout penalizing.Also if Vettel wasnt acting like a idiot they could both have been easily on the safe side,(still debatable though but much safer for your concerns)...So dont put the blame on one driver over an incident that involves two of them...Ray wrote:It's a safety issue. Don't let your bias cloud your judgement. Safety issues shouldn't be ignored. You're wrong, he should be handed a heavy penalty for this race and the next. Doesn't matter who was released when, he almost spun trying to get out ahead of Vettel (who was ahead to begin with0 and then he stayed next to him crossing over the line into other pit stalls. That's blatantly illegal, Vettel had no obligation to give a driver room that wasn't ahead of him to begin with and he should have backed off and gotten back over the line in accordance with regulations.ringo wrote: Vettel shunted Lewis who had to go against Webber, Hamilton had nowhere to go.
I think the real infringements are Petrov for weaving again. Massa for moving twice again; the safety car thing with Button.
Hamilton is clear of all charges, he and Vettel were released the same exact time; no fault of the lolipop man for trying to react quicker than redbull's . Hamilton waited beside him until he was released. Vettel gave no room; so I think that one will be overlooked.
+1 =D>Just_a_fan wrote:I get the feeling that Lewis races hard and can't quite understand why other drivers don't - they all seem to want to "check with mother" before attempting any passes etc.
Anyway, I enjoyed the race - lots of incidents for the various factions to ying-yang with...
How is he an idiot? He was ahead of Lewis coming out of the stops and Lewis was clearly in the working lane. That's cut and dry to anyone with eyes and common sense.Poleman wrote:IT IS a safety issue...However, it was seen in the past wothout penalizing.Also if Vettel wasnt acting like a idiot they could both have been easily on the safe side,(still debatable though but much safer for your concerns)...So dont put the blame on one driver over an incident that involves two of them...Ray wrote:It's a safety issue. Don't let your bias cloud your judgement. Safety issues shouldn't be ignored. You're wrong, he should be handed a heavy penalty for this race and the next. Doesn't matter who was released when, he almost spun trying to get out ahead of Vettel (who was ahead to begin with0 and then he stayed next to him crossing over the line into other pit stalls. That's blatantly illegal, Vettel had no obligation to give a driver room that wasn't ahead of him to begin with and he should have backed off and gotten back over the line in accordance with regulations.ringo wrote: Vettel shunted Lewis who had to go against Webber, Hamilton had nowhere to go.
I think the real infringements are Petrov for weaving again. Massa for moving twice again; the safety car thing with Button.
Hamilton is clear of all charges, he and Vettel were released the same exact time; no fault of the lolipop man for trying to react quicker than redbull's . Hamilton waited beside him until he was released. Vettel gave no room; so I think that one will be overlooked.
Errr ditto - you're sounding quite biased. There was nothing wrong with the release he just got more wheelspin, and more again when he avoided hitting Vettel.Ray wrote:It's a safety issue. Don't let your bias cloud your judgement. Safety issues shouldn't be ignored. You're wrong, he should be handed a heavy penalty for this race and the next. Doesn't matter who was released when, he almost spun trying to get out ahead of Vettel (who was ahead to begin with0 and then he stayed next to him crossing over the line into other pit stalls. That's blatantly illegal, Vettel had no obligation to give a driver room that wasn't ahead of him to begin with and he should have backed off and gotten back over the line in accordance with regulations.ringo wrote: Vettel shunted Lewis who had to go against Webber, Hamilton had nowhere to go.
I think the real infringements are Petrov for weaving again. Massa for moving twice again; the safety car thing with Button.
Hamilton is clear of all charges, he and Vettel were released the same exact time; no fault of the lolipop man for trying to react quicker than redbull's . Hamilton waited beside him until he was released. Vettel gave no room; so I think that one will be overlooked.
No one had the right of way, both cars were released at the same exact time by human reaction time standards. What's more Hamilton was not racing Vettel at all to the line.mx_tifosi wrote:Why in the world should've Vettel given room to Hamilton in the pitlane?? Vettel had the right of way as he was in the proper driving zone while Hamilton was in the working zone. If anything, Hamilton had to yield to Vettel in that instance as to get himself out of the area where he was endangering the pitstop crews.ringo wrote:Hamilton is clear of all charges, he and Vettel were released the same exact time; no fault of the lolipop man for trying to react quicker than redbull's . Hamilton waited beside him until he was released. Vettel gave no room; so I think that one will be overlooked.
He pushed him towards the other pit boxes - that is clearly a safety issue!Ray wrote: How is he an idiot? He was ahead of Lewis coming out of the stops and Lewis was clearly in the working lane. That's cut and dry to anyone with eyes and common sense.
The real problem they have is they don't rule consistently. Heavy-handedness is moot if they apply the same penalty for the same infringement across the board. That's a lame excuse. There is no time like the present to drop the hammer and keep it there. You have to start somewhere and here is a great time. Any objections like 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' are pointless and without merit. Do it or don't, but lets start enforcing rules already in place NOW.roost89 wrote:That the problem they have. If they do something, it'll be deemed as heavy-handed as in most cases, no harm was caused. However if they don't they'll be seen to be too inconsistent.The Local Ride wrote:Fabulous race. Wonder what the stewards will do re the incidents?
Does no one think that Button causing the almost pile up was a bit dodgy?
If he gets away with it will every driver in the front after a SC not try the same?
Double edged sword.
I can see a grid-penalty going to Lewis for overtaking on entry into the pit-lane, however if he does, Alonso will have to take one as well.
You don't have objective reasoning skills either I see. If Lewis had backed off, since he was already in the working lane when he left his damn pit box, none of this would have happened. Lewis is at fault. Full stop. You people can twist reality all you want.myurr wrote:He pushed him towards the other pit boxes - that is clearly a safety issue!Ray wrote: How is he an idiot? He was ahead of Lewis coming out of the stops and Lewis was clearly in the working lane. That's cut and dry to anyone with eyes and common sense.
