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The MGP/AMG management seems to be at a loss when it comes to constructive ways to approach the situation, just more of the same, adding names to the list of employees, but they wouldn't dare to ask Gascoyne to join, would they now?
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Gazza would probably not be content with participating in endless meetings of mutual admiration I guess?
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"
gascoyne has some experience with all this at toyota...so maybe...but it was not really he hit the jackpot there as well..
I think Bell is good choice for the team and wilis might be the right guy to tackle the aero part.
To me Brawn and norby and fry are those who are obsolete.But could be totally wrong and the problem is zetsche
JACKSONVILLE wrote:You are clearly a Schumacher hater stop lying it is evident in your pathetic attempt to undermine him loool. He has really bad luck, those are the facts SIMPLE so if you don't like it go watch Paul di Resta loool. There's alot of folks saying that Paul should get Micheal's seat loooooooooooooooooool for what give me a break. That is the most comical thing I have heard in a long time sorry, but Mercedes only came back in to f1 because of michael those are the facts sir.
And you are clearly a MSC fanboy, loooooool. But thanks for the reply, it really justifies the objectiveness of most MSC-fans.
"I race to win, and if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver." - Ayrton Senna
Mercedes eyes partial F1 withdrawal for 2014 - report
Aug.14 (GMM) Mercedes is considering a partial withdrawal from formula one at the end of 2013, the French weekly Auto Hebdo is reporting. The Stuttgart carmaker, still yet to agree a new Concorde Agreement deal with Bernie Ecclestone, reportedly could then field only a 'semi-official' team from 2014. Mercedes would however continue to supply customer engines, as it does currently to McLaren and Force India, whilst its 'semi-official' works team might be known as 'AMG F1', Auto Hebdo said. AMG is Mercedes' high-performance arm. The magazine speculated that Brackley based AMG F1, currently known as Mercedes AMG, would continue to be run by team boss Ross Brawn, with Michael Schumacher in the cockpit.
But Mercedes would focus more strongly on engineering than team ownership and management, Auto Hebdo said.
It is likely F1's only engine suppliers in 2014 will be Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari, meaning they all could take on more customers for the new V6 rules. Reasons cited for Mercedes' rumoured change of direction are the Gerhard Gribkowsky corruption scandal involving F1's chief executive Ecclestone, and the latter's push for Mercedes to make a long-term pledge to the sport. Another reason mentioned is Mercedes' lack of success with its full works team since 2010, despite Nico Rosberg's breakthrough win from pole in Shanghai this year.
Racing as "AMG F1" in 2014, may or may not have any impact on this team. I've wondered for some time whether Mercedes GP were able to pull upon the huge resources of Daimler for research, and development purposes, but it was never fully clear.
If they weren't, then why should anything change? The team is supposed to be predominantly self funded isn't it?
AMG is a fully DAI owned brand ...so what´s the fuzz here?
If one does consider how much is going on with AMG these days -the sheer flood of cars that are already coming on stream and that are planned ..it seems more than justified to call the formula 1 team AMG ,perhaps in a similar way one did not call their Formula 1 efforts Fiat but Ferrai or a Volkswagen formula 1 bid would unlikely be under the Volkwagen banner but Porsche or Audi..
Still the question here is:is it Brawn and Schumacher then-or just Schu if DAI really bows out? Can MS do better than Prost? I´m quite sure .The question is will corinna let him do this... so I´d guess this works only for the famous 1€ deal ..Brawn has some experience to share methinks...maybe Fry has already everything in contract form sorted out but just looks for a possible chance for him to charge a few millions on that one..myohmy...that a considerable sum wasted considering the" bargain" price they paid for the lot...
Mercedes eyes partial F1 withdrawal for 2014 - report
Aug.14 (GMM) Mercedes is considering a partial withdrawal from formula one at the end of 2013, the French weekly Auto Hebdo is reporting. The Stuttgart carmaker, still yet to agree a new Concorde Agreement deal with Bernie Ecclestone, reportedly could then field only a 'semi-official' team from 2014. Mercedes would however continue to supply customer engines, as it does currently to McLaren and Force India, whilst its 'semi-official' works team might be known as 'AMG F1', Auto Hebdo said. AMG is Mercedes' high-performance arm. The magazine speculated that Brackley based AMG F1, currently known as Mercedes AMG, would continue to be run by team boss Ross Brawn, with Michael Schumacher in the cockpit.
But Mercedes would focus more strongly on engineering than team ownership and management, Auto Hebdo said.
It is likely F1's only engine suppliers in 2014 will be Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari, meaning they all could take on more customers for the new V6 rules. Reasons cited for Mercedes' rumoured change of direction are the Gerhard Gribkowsky corruption scandal involving F1's chief executive Ecclestone, and the latter's push for Mercedes to make a long-term pledge to the sport. Another reason mentioned is Mercedes' lack of success with its full works team since 2010, despite Nico Rosberg's breakthrough win from pole in Shanghai this year.
marcush. wrote:The question is will corinna let him do this... .
She was crazy enough to allow her man to go back into F1; so why not? I don't think she personally would allow him to retire, not being satisfied what he's achieved. Having said that, one does have to look at the bigger picture - i.e his children.
marcush. wrote:AMG is a fully DAI owned brand ...so what´s the fuzz here?
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If Mercedes is pulling out, I find it difficult to believe they would do it in sticker only, more like handing the show over to MS, with Daimler engineering support to go with it perhaps, but I doubt if he would retain the entire shabang of high-profile names?
Anyone remember that Italian who helped him to the big time way back when?
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"
xpensive wrote:
If Mercedes is pulling out, I find it difficult to believe they would do it in sticker only.
I don't.
Mercedes acts as a corporate brand image, whilst AMG is relevant.
As Marcush mentioned, Ferrari is not branded as Fiat, is it? Ferrari doesn't make any old cars, it makes sports cars; which makes it relevant within its branding and naming.
In a technical sense, it'll still be called: "Mercedes AMG", since Mercedes will be supplying the engines.
is the story is coming from france? ..and who knows why mercedes should talk to french guýs about this matter first and german tabloids not already throwing the bat ...I can imagine where it was discussed though..
But coming back to the hard facts..I´m not sure if Schumacher -family -is crazy enough to burn all the gold they have on their bank account ..so it would need a lot of icing on the cake methinks.
Brawn? Michael has had enough of his methinks.Briatore..uhuh who knows.
I ´m under the impression this is the sword thaz zetsche has positioned over the whole affair to get them realising it´s not
all set in stone....
Maybe it´s just a measure to repositon the marketing of the whole affair..AMG wants to grow big time in the years to come.
But to have a real connection to formula 1 in terms of technology ´transfer etc..dreams ..nothing more.Brawn is as far away from any interesting technology inside DAI as we all in thios forum .I think it´s just not something they would even consider pursuing .And DAI would not errm ask if they need help -but feel good in leaning back and stating cool: hey we are the ones in the know and we knew before this would never work...
Former drivers starting up their own teams hasn't exactly been successful historically speaking.
Bruce McLaren was the only one successful, and even at that, one could argue that had he lived, who really knows if McLaren would have been anywhere near what it is today...or even if it would have lasted.
I don't know why Michael would want to have his own F1 team...maybe if he was driving it would make more sense since, at least it would ensure competitiveness. But even were he not a full time driver, I could see him acting as a test driver. Although, were Michael keen on buying this team, perhaps he would be able to find enough backers elsewhere so as to avoid touching his millions?
Ross Brawn doesn't know how to run a team...or encourage a team to develop throughout the course of the season.
Even Brawn GP, for it's first half blitz, didn't maintain that level for the second half of the 2009 season.
Seems to me, Brawn is like the sprinter who runs a long distance marathon, and winds up faltering because he doesn't know how to pace anything, or rather, sustain performance.
I guess I am a bit skeptical on AMG ever being seen as a big player in the automotive industry in the years to come. I'm further skeptical of how being involved in F1 would help raise the profile of AMG. If they are dead serious on raising their profile to a higher level, they should probably look to the east and see what is going on in Ingolstadt, in my opinion. Frankly, the only way I could see AMG's profile being effectively raised is to take on Audi head-to-head in sports car racing with their own works teams. It would have way more relevancy to the AMG division were they to do such a thing and be successful at it. F1 success is harder to parlay into successful advertising based on what we have seen over the years even when an entity such as Renault was successful with their works teams. Even the vaunted Scuderia doesn't just focus solely on F1...and in fact they never did. Diversification is important to raise the profile...Ferrari can point at other successes beyond F1 so it has wider appeal to a larger consumer base...even though the base that buys their road cars is rather small due to obvious reasons such as pricing. But at large, Ferrari's entire purpose for existence was to go racing. Road cars were just a way to fund the racing. Merc AMG's existence has been about performance road cars.
Merc's automotive successes have been mostly relegated to an era that the target consumer base is simply too young to have been around for.
Nothing Merc-Amg has done to date, dating back to 1995 when they started supplying to McLaren, has shown they have any idea of what they want to do. We know they want to be involved in racing in some capacity. That's fairly straightforward. They claim to want success. That's not so straightforward because what they're currently doing doesn't suggest they have any real interest in doing what is necessary for success. By purchasing Brawn GP, they wanted the quick and easy way out. It hasn't worked out that way, and they sit on their hands doing absolutely nothing. You reap what you sow.
I agree with the spirit of that article. One would have to be a fool to not consider "pulling out" as an option currently on Daimler's table. The details on how this would happen though, sound like pure hogwash. It's as if the writer wanted to touch upon the pulling out rumors, so scraped together the most outlandish speculation he could farm from the F1 forums. I mean that literally. If I were to combine the most controversial speculation we've debated on here into an article, that's what it would look like.
So I have to ask... Autohebdo? Who are they?
And AMG F1? I'm as die-hard a Merc fan as they come, and even I think this sounds lame. They might as well say, "The team is only semi-official, so we're going to call it Benz F1!"
Like I said, I have no doubt that Daimler is considering pulling out. It's the little nitty-gritty detail that just seem... made up.
Does anyone have a link to the original Autohebdo article that all of the other sites are repeating? Also, I don't see where it says that Schumacher would be any way in charge... all I see are mentions of him still being a driver. Are my eyes somehow glazing over it?
For now I'm ultimately chalking this story up as the product of a slow news cycle during the summer break.
