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TyreSlip wrote:
28 May 2025, 02:44
I wonder how this process can be expedited. If it somehow could and I were Alonso, I would practically be living in the simulator.
ALO is 4-5 days/year in the sim, he is no sim driver. Not that I believe that a driver can really make a difference, it’s the guys behind who programme the software.
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28 May 2025, 02:39
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28 May 2025, 02:15
About Newey and 2026. I think he has low expectations. He mentioned that the driver in the loop simulation tools are not up to par and are critical. This would need some time, maybe 2 years to sort out. Saying al that, can the 2026 car be a Newey masterpiece with the sub optimal simulation?
They are about 6 months into that 2 years. It should be getting better all the time.
Newey talked about 2 years from now. But also as the worst case.

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Nikosar wrote:
27 May 2025, 13:18
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27 May 2025, 12:01
The 'I can't push now' and slow first part of the stint was explained when Alonso said if he pushed on fresh hards he would open up the graining. Then maybe later PU problems started.
Even without the PU issue, Aston Martin was outsmarted by Racing Bulls and Ferrari on strategy. Even with Stroll, their approach felt more reactive, simply responding to what others were doing rather than taking risks. They could’ve tried something different with Stroll, nothing to lose if you are not in the top 10.

I also found it odd that the race engineer didn’t explain the reason for the pit stop to the driver. Other teams usually mention things like e.g. : "you’ll lose track position"; with Alonso, it's been a couple of races now where the reason is left unexplained, leaving the frustration.
Yeah, they're clearly reactive to the first person around them. Alonso got frustrated because when Hadjar pitted he could've then pushed in clear air but they brought him out right behind Hadjar by pitting him immediately after and then Hamilton could overcut them both. This is the second time in two races where their strategy team has shown no understanding of relative race pace.

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Cowell on Imola improvements:

"The car has made a step forward, but not as much as we expected. While it has more downforce, it still retains some characteristics that aren't as good."

From Amus

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-wkst- wrote:
28 May 2025, 07:44
TyreSlip wrote:
28 May 2025, 02:44
I wonder how this process can be expedited. If it somehow could and I were Alonso, I would practically be living in the simulator.
ALO is 4-5 days/year in the sim, he is no sim driver. Not that I believe that a driver can really make a difference, it’s the guys behind who programme the software.
diffuser wrote:
28 May 2025, 02:39
ringo wrote:
28 May 2025, 02:15
About Newey and 2026. I think he has low expectations. He mentioned that the driver in the loop simulation tools are not up to par and are critical. This would need some time, maybe 2 years to sort out. Saying al that, can the 2026 car be a Newey masterpiece with the sub optimal simulation?
They are about 6 months into that 2 years. It should be getting better all the time.
Newey talked about 2 years from now. But also as the worst case.
Aston Martin CEO Andy Cowell downplayed the severity of the issue, suggesting that it will take only a few months to dial in the simulator rather than years.

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diffuser wrote:
28 May 2025, 13:49
-wkst- wrote:
28 May 2025, 07:44
TyreSlip wrote:
28 May 2025, 02:44
I wonder how this process can be expedited. If it somehow could and I were Alonso, I would practically be living in the simulator.
ALO is 4-5 days/year in the sim, he is no sim driver. Not that I believe that a driver can really make a difference, it’s the guys behind who programme the software.
diffuser wrote:
28 May 2025, 02:39


They are about 6 months into that 2 years. It should be getting better all the time.
Newey talked about 2 years from now. But also as the worst case.
Aston Martin CEO Andy Cowell downplayed the severity of the issue, suggesting that it will take only a few months to dial in the simulator rather than years.
I'm pretty sure if the input data is not correct then is will take a year especially because of regulation changes and the cost cap. You have to back to back test everything .

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peewon wrote:
28 May 2025, 08:29
Nikosar wrote:
27 May 2025, 13:18
RoadRep wrote:
27 May 2025, 12:01
The 'I can't push now' and slow first part of the stint was explained when Alonso said if he pushed on fresh hards he would open up the graining. Then maybe later PU problems started.
Even without the PU issue, Aston Martin was outsmarted by Racing Bulls and Ferrari on strategy. Even with Stroll, their approach felt more reactive, simply responding to what others were doing rather than taking risks. They could’ve tried something different with Stroll, nothing to lose if you are not in the top 10.

I also found it odd that the race engineer didn’t explain the reason for the pit stop to the driver. Other teams usually mention things like e.g. : "you’ll lose track position"; with Alonso, it's been a couple of races now where the reason is left unexplained, leaving the frustration.
Yeah, they're clearly reactive to the first person around them. Alonso got frustrated because when Hadjar pitted he could've then pushed in clear air but they brought him out right behind Hadjar by pitting him immediately after and then Hamilton could overcut them both. This is the second time in two races where their strategy team has shown no understanding of relative race pace.
Hadjar pitted cause Lawson, who was behind Hamilton on lap 14, was backing the pack up behind him. If Alonso pitted before Hadjar, he would come out behind Lawson. So Alonso was F*cked cause Hadjar had a wing man and he didn't.

I don't think they made a Strategy error. I Think Hamilton passed Alonso cause he did 1:15.8 and a 1:14.8 on the 2 laps before he pitted and Alonso couldn't do that. So basically Hamilton had a faster car...

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Newey: "I focused a lot on the 2026 car but, there is a small group that is working on the 2025 car and will do so for a few more months. We'll have an update around Silverstone. I just had a chat over lunch to understand what they are doing, discussing ideas, proposing some and we will see where we get to".
https://autoracer.it/it/aston-martina-n ... 026-cowell
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The Newey interview with Brundle was geo-locked to UK, so I had to use a VPN to see it on youtube, but this guy has put some of it out for everyone. Newey talks a bit about giving the AMR25 aero team some pointers at lunch etc.

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they say that theres no short-cutting the sim situation (but dont explain why). this seems completely amateur to me. did they all just assume that they could plug it in and itd work perfectly? or was this expected? would it be the team setting this up, or would they have hired some outside tech people initially? its like aston asked alpine to do them a solid and come put their new simulator in on the cheap.

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diffuser wrote:
28 May 2025, 15:25
peewon wrote:
28 May 2025, 08:29
Nikosar wrote:
27 May 2025, 13:18


Even without the PU issue, Aston Martin was outsmarted by Racing Bulls and Ferrari on strategy. Even with Stroll, their approach felt more reactive, simply responding to what others were doing rather than taking risks. They could’ve tried something different with Stroll, nothing to lose if you are not in the top 10.

I also found it odd that the race engineer didn’t explain the reason for the pit stop to the driver. Other teams usually mention things like e.g. : "you’ll lose track position"; with Alonso, it's been a couple of races now where the reason is left unexplained, leaving the frustration.
Yeah, they're clearly reactive to the first person around them. Alonso got frustrated because when Hadjar pitted he could've then pushed in clear air but they brought him out right behind Hadjar by pitting him immediately after and then Hamilton could overcut them both. This is the second time in two races where their strategy team has shown no understanding of relative race pace.
Hadjar pitted cause Lawson, who was behind Hamilton on lap 14, was backing the pack up behind him. If Alonso pitted before Hadjar, he would come out behind Lawson. So Alonso was F*cked cause Hadjar had a wing man and he didn't.

I don't think they made a Strategy error. I Think Hamilton passed Alonso cause he did 1:15.8 and a 1:14.8 on the 2 laps before he pitted and Alonso couldn't do that. So basically Hamilton had a faster car...
ERS failure happened as soon as Hadjar Pitted but They only realized it after they pitted.
Halo not as bad as we thought

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The 2 years has been taken out of context by F1 media that has the reading comprehension of a 5 year old.

Newey references the driver in loop simulator as an example of one of the weaker tools. His 2 year time frame refers to ALL the tools that need to be sorted out.

And being all new, I imagine he means optimizing them, and I would suppose that it's impossible to do all at once, as some tools rely on the data of others that aren't optimized yet.

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Having spent nearly three months at Aston Martin's Silverstone base, the design genius has started to get a good picture of what works and what doesn't. The facility is state-of-the-art – and the class leader in the sport, but there are areas that need work.

"It's fair to say that some of our tools are weak," he says. "Particularly the driver-in-the-loop simulator needs a lot of work because it's not correlating at all at the moment, which is a fundamental research tool."

The roots of the Aston Martin team trace back to the little independent operation called Jordan, founded by Eddie Jordan. They've always operated efficiently with a small budget. It's one thing to do that, though, and another to be able to make the most of significantly more resources.

As a result, they are suffering growing pains – and thus Newey accepts it would be unwise to stress the system too quickly and it will take time to gel the project.

"I think Aston has gone from a small team as Jordan, and then the pink team at Force India, and then into Racing Point and so forth, where it's always a small but over-performing team," he says.

"It's grown hugely in a very short space of time into what it is now. And we now really need to settle down and kind of get the organisational structure perhaps a little bit better sorted out, work out how we all work together as effectively as possible and develop the simulation tools, because that's one of the areas which I would say we're quite weak in."

I suggest that is not the work of a moment.

"Unfortunately not, no," he says. "But it's a very enjoyable challenge. I think I'm very lucky to be starting with Andy Cowell, who I've known for very many years, so we can divide up our responsibilities and both get on with our respective jobs."

He adds: "To sort out a plan to get it where it needs to be, that's probably a two-year project in truth.“


https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... 7N4Gc5qMeR

That’s what he said to the official f1 channel, as everybody can watch the video on the website.

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
29 May 2025, 07:28
diffuser wrote:
28 May 2025, 15:25
peewon wrote:
28 May 2025, 08:29


Yeah, they're clearly reactive to the first person around them. Alonso got frustrated because when Hadjar pitted he could've then pushed in clear air but they brought him out right behind Hadjar by pitting him immediately after and then Hamilton could overcut them both. This is the second time in two races where their strategy team has shown no understanding of relative race pace.
Hadjar pitted cause Lawson, who was behind Hamilton on lap 14, was backing the pack up behind him. If Alonso pitted before Hadjar, he would come out behind Lawson. So Alonso was F*cked cause Hadjar had a wing man and he didn't.

I don't think they made a Strategy error. I Think Hamilton passed Alonso cause he did 1:15.8 and a 1:14.8 on the 2 laps before he pitted and Alonso couldn't do that. So basically Hamilton had a faster car...
ERS failure happened as soon as Hadjar Pitted but They only realized it after they pitted.
There was no sign of that on car radio. Alonso was complaining of alot of things, including the tires graining, but not once the PU. That didn't start till about 4 or 5 laps after the pit stop.

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Guess it depends on who's responsibility it is, Cowell or Newey's?