Uhhh, look at my avatar, and then think whether I'm an Alonso fan? Next time think a bit before you go around accusing people of being fanboys.jdlive wrote:You sound very much like an Alonso-fan beelsebob. I'd wish people who know they are biased would not enter discussions like these, kind of makes the discussions pointless no?
I don't think I've ever heard a fan say "driver XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX is just better than my idol"
Maybe the RB7 is easier to drive too. Remember F60 and Fisichella who was surprised of how it was hard to drive and that Kimi managed to win Spa with that.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Regardless of wether its car or driver pace, Have we ever seen a driver make as few mistakes as Vettel in a season?
He is metronomic in everything he does with that race car. And for that alone he deserves his championship regardless of his Newey designed rocket. Maybe it won't be the same with Hamilton or Alonso alongside him, but then they have their own demons in this area too.
Perhaps you should think before you accuse me of using rhetoric, the one who is actually basing his judgement on objective numbers, while you yourself base what you say on... nothing objective. If there's anyone using nothing but rhetoric here, it's you.beelsebob wrote:Uhhh, look at my avatar, and then think whether I'm an Alonso fan? Next time think a bit before you go around accusing people of being fanboys.jdlive wrote:You sound very much like an Alonso-fan beelsebob. I'd wish people who know they are biased would not enter discussions like these, kind of makes the discussions pointless no?
I don't think I've ever heard a fan say "driver XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX is just better than my idol"
Oh? I was under the impression that I was the one citing that Alonso was beating Massa by more than Vettel is beating Webber. Here's the "actual numbers" for you if you like:jdlive wrote:Perhaps you should think before you accuse me of using rhetoric, the one who is actually basing his judgement on objective numbers, while you yourself base what you say on... nothing objective. If there's anyone using nothing but rhetoric here, it's you.beelsebob wrote:Uhhh, look at my avatar, and then think whether I'm an Alonso fan? Next time think a bit before you go around accusing people of being fanboys.jdlive wrote:You sound very much like an Alonso-fan beelsebob. I'd wish people who know they are biased would not enter discussions like these, kind of makes the discussions pointless no?
I don't think I've ever heard a fan say "driver XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX is just better than my idol"
So far we have the numbers proving Vettel is head and shoulders above the rest. We are now waiting for your proof that the car is substantially (or even only a teenie weenie bit) better.
he`s double world drivers champion good....JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:This debate could go on forever.
But can we all agree that Vettel is very good, we just don't know exactly how good he is?
Important to note that it was blowing that was clipped in Silverstone rather than the exhausts - no ebd is a different set of criteria to no blowing. In 2009 before EBDs Seb had the better of Mark.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Funny how webber was closer to Vettel before all these exhausts became prevalent, and at silverstone this year where they where clipped.
Of course rayraymondu999 wrote:Important to note that it was blowing that was clipped in Silverstone rather than the exhausts - no ebd is a different set of criteria to no blowing. In 2009 before EBDs Seb had the better of Mark.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Funny how webber was closer to Vettel before all these exhausts became prevalent, and at silverstone this year where they where clipped.
Pretty obvious, they know that thier respective teams must build a better car.jamsbong wrote:Vettel is filling up the records book
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fo ... er_records
It is very impressive to see a 24 yr old snatching so many records. Alonso and Hamilton must be wondering what can they do to stop this? Remember those 2 were really hot for breaking records in their own respective years.
raymondu999 wrote:Arguably though JET - an EBD with blowing is more similar to no EBD at all; rather than it is to EBD without blowing, no?
There was a BBC article on it last year by Mark Hughes.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:raymondu999 wrote:Arguably though JET - an EBD with blowing is more similar to no EBD at all; rather than it is to EBD without blowing, no?
Eh? Sorry mate, we should talk about this on another thread. Perhaps a thread with a technical look at why Vettel uses the system better than webber? Unless such a thread already exists?
