2015 Mexican Grand Prix - Mexico City, Oct 30 - Nov 1

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J0rd4n wrote: Supposedly he cut pretty much every corner on his way to the pits on the punctured tyres. Being investigated because it's also a matter of safety.
Indeed.
https://twitter.com/f1fanaticlive/statu ... 5385987073

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No penalty for Vettel.

Apparently Rosbergs prime tyres were in a better condition than Hamilton's after the second stop

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RZS10 wrote:No penalty for Vettel.

Apparently Rosbergs prime tyres were in a better condition than Hamilton's after the second stop
It doesn't matter. This is purely a matter of principle where the driver should not be given any "orders." He or she should only be advised on tyre condition etc and allowed to race.

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Mercedes need to stop screaming that they let their drivers race, because they do not or it must be a faux-plan. When a driver wants to change his strategy and do something else, it's suddenly ''too dangerous'', ''not safe'' to do it. While Sergio Perez can. Fine, but stop claiming then that your drivers can race eachother.

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Great race and deserved win by Rosberg.

Ferrari drivers uncharacteristically amateurish, taking themselves out. But great job by Maldonado keeping Vettel behind like that.

You could feel the elation from the crowd, wonderful.

But the way the Mercs pulled away after the (unnecessary?) SC...on mediums when the guys behind them were on the softs...
I don't see 2016 being any different.

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zeph wrote:Great race and deserved win by Rosberg.

Ferrari drivers uncharacteristically amateurish, taking themselves out. But great job by Maldonado keeping Vettel behind like that.

You could feel the elation from the crowd, wonderful.

But the way the Mercs pulled away after the (unnecessary?) SC...on mediums when the guys behind them were on the softs...
I don't see 2016 being any different.
The car directly behind them was Bottas who had primes (newer though), he blocked the RBR's for the first laps until the crossover point, something that happened rather early at this track.

The only team that would pose a threat in such a situation is Ferrari anyways.

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zeph wrote:Great race and deserved win by Rosberg.

Ferrari drivers uncharacteristically amateurish, taking themselves out. But great job by Maldonado keeping Vettel behind like that.

You could feel the elation from the crowd, wonderful.

But the way the Mercs pulled away after the (unnecessary?) SC...on mediums when the guys behind them were on the softs...
I don't see 2016 being any different.
after the safety car the soft tires were difficult to get into their prime operating window on the other side of the coin the prime tires did not need as a high a temperature to be effective advantage prime tire runners at the start . by the time the soft tires came up to temp Bottas had jumped into third and was doing his usual rear guard routine for mercedes.
basically what i'm saying is that what happened at the end of this race has zero bearing on the pecking order in 2016

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zeph wrote:But the way the Mercs pulled away after the (unnecessary?) SC...on mediums when the guys behind them were on the softs...
I don't see 2016 being any different.
After the absolute disastrous race for them today, it's easy to forget that Ferrari was only 0.380 sec slower than Mercedes in qualifying.

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Sevach wrote: The car directly behind them was Bottas who had primes (newer though), he blocked the RBR's for the first laps until the crossover point, something that happened rather early at this track.
Kvyat was in 3rd, Bottas jumped him one lap later. [edit: he jumped him on the restart. My bad]

giantfan10 wrote: basically what i'm saying is that what happened at the end of this race has zero bearing on the pecking order in 2016
Fair enough. We'll have to wait and see.
Kingshark wrote: After the absolute disastrous race for them today, it's easy to forget that Ferrari was only 0.380 sec slower than Mercedes in qualifying.
Only? Over 71 laps that would amount to about 27 seconds.
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Indeed (and gap between Vettel and Hamilton slightly smaller than between Hamilton and rosberg), and the Ferrari pace seemed quite good. Shame they made every mistake in the book or I think it could have been a Bahrain type situation - I.e Mercedes still faster but Ferrari close enough to give pressure.

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Kingshark wrote:
zeph wrote:But the way the Mercs pulled away after the (unnecessary?) SC...on mediums when the guys behind them were on the softs...
I don't see 2016 being any different.
After the absolute disastrous race for them today, it's easy to forget that Ferrari was only 0.380 sec slower than Mercedes in qualifying.
I also see no difference to the 2016 competition. Ferrari is wayward and the key thing this team is missing is their winning experience. They have a competitive engine but they have no management of how to get their efforts optimized for the best results. Yesterday's situation was very hard to understand.

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I'm not sure that's the case. I think today was just one of those days were everything went wrong. Vettel doesn't often have days like that. Raikkonen has had quite a few of them this season, though.

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I really like the idea of a slow section of the circuit going underneath the stands and into a stadium. I thought it was a brilliant passage of the circuit seeing the fans so close to the race track and a stadium kind of feeling. Would be brilliant if they really manage to include a real life football stadium in a F1 race. Just to give that special experience for the fans. Being so close to the cars going through corners and also the sound reflecting and echoing through the stadium would be pretty special. Gotta hand it to the Mexican GP. The best parc fermé and podium ceremony of the season. If they would bring back the victory garland, then it would be complete. This is what F1 should have.

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Kingshark wrote:
zeph wrote:But the way the Mercs pulled away after the (unnecessary?) SC...on mediums when the guys behind them were on the softs...
I don't see 2016 being any different.
After the absolute disastrous race for them today, it's easy to forget that Ferrari was only 0.380 sec slower than Mercedes in qualifying.
Yes, and their long runs were very good, it was a pity because I was expecting Vettel to put some pressure on Mercedes. But perhaps I was too optimistic taking into account the enormous difference between Mercedes and the rest in this race.

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The track is nice but the race was not that good, too bad the it didnt rain.


Well deserved victory by Nico who truly showed his strengths and this time he resisted the pressure. Well done!


I dont understand Lewis attitude. Both cars have a great advantage so it was very logic to change the tyres in order to avoid any problem at the end of the race(and a probably safety car, which it did happen). With the same strategy it was in Hamilton´s hands to attack Nico but he couldnt. He always reacts like a child complaining and demanding additional info when its clear why they were changing the tyres because its not the first time.