2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[Nikosar]

Lack of traction and top speed, will be excuse for both cars Q1 exit

Alonso will find a way into Q2 with this car. People here are already writing him off and talking about his replacement, but I 100% believe in him.

I am the biggest supporter there could be of Alonso, but this year is the first time he starts to show signs of wear.....he is so talented that he can still manage races better than most, but raw speed is fading.

Why does he need to push like the season he did in 2022 with Alpine if this year he fight for nothing better have fun and stay ready for 2026

[TyreSlip]

Lack of traction and top speed, will be excuse for both cars Q1 exit

Alonso will find a way into Q2 with this car. People here are already writing him off and talking about his replacement, but I 100% believe in him.

I am the biggest supporter there could be of Alonso, but this year is the first time he starts to show signs of wear.....he is so talented that he can still manage races better than most, but raw speed is fading.

Raw speed is fading? What evidence is there to support that statement? Stroll has been Alonso's benchmark since 2023 and is no closer in qualifying or in overall race pace. I apologise if I am mistaken, but I believe you were the one who said that "2012 Alonso would be fighting with the Ferraris and Mercedes." This car is more than half a second slower in race pace than them. Pace is relative to the quality of the car.

[diffuser]

Drugovich deserves a run. It'll be interesting to hear what excuse Stroll will come out with for a Q1 exit.

Lack of traction and top speed, will be excuse for both cars Q1 exit

Alonso will find a way into Q2 with this car. People here are already writing him off and talking about his replacement, but I 100% believe in him.

I think the top speed issue is BS, Stroll was 4th fastest top speed at the speed trap in Quali @ Spain. I think they solved some of their rear traction problems with the Imola upgrade. The evidence of that is the wear in Spain was higher on the fronts. The rears were not limiting factor. That and Montreal isn't hard on it's tires.




Note the tire differences from 2024 ...

[TyreSlip]

Lack of traction and top speed, will be excuse for both cars Q1 exit

Alonso will find a way into Q2 with this car. People here are already writing him off and talking about his replacement, but I 100% believe in him.

I think the top speed issue is BS, Stroll was 4th fastest top speed at the speed trap in Quali @ Spain. I think they solved some of their rear traction problems with the Imola upgrade. The evidence of that is the wear in Spain was higher on the fronts. The rears were not limiting factor. That and Montreal isn't hard on it's tires.

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diffuser, speed traps in qualifying can be deceiving because we don't know how much of a toe the driver had. I watched Alonso's in-car at Spain and the cars ahead were always pulling away on the front straight under the same conditions. From visual appearance of the rear wings that teams bring to tracks, Aston Martin is generally running larger wings to compensate for the lack of downforce.

[GoranF1]

Alonso will find a way into Q2 with this car. People here are already writing him off and talking about his replacement, but I 100% believe in him.

I am the biggest supporter there could be of Alonso, but this year is the first time he starts to show signs of wear.....he is so talented that he can still manage races better than most, but raw speed is fading.

Raw speed is fading? What evidence is there to support that statement? Stroll has been Alonso's benchmark since 2023 and is no closer in qualifying or in overall race pace. I apologise if I am mistaken, but I believe you were the one who said that "2012 Alonso would be fighting with the Ferraris and Mercedes." This car is more than half a second slower in race pace than them. Pace is relative to the quality of the car.

Come on be realistic....2012 Alonso would be behind Stroll in points?
The speed is fading, alot.
This Alonso is just a shadow of prime Alonso. Prime Alonso took Ferrari to podium almost every race despite car being slower to RB, Mercedes, McLaren sometimes even Lotus(Renault).....so prime Alonso would take this AM to podium also

[Nikosar]

Lack of traction and top speed, will be excuse for both cars Q1 exit

Alonso will find a way into Q2 with this car. People here are already writing him off and talking about his replacement, but I 100% believe in him.

I think the top speed issue is BS, Stroll was 4th fastest top speed at the speed trap in Quali @ Spain. I think they solved some of their rear traction problems with the Imola upgrade. The evidence of that is the wear in Spain was higher on the fronts. The rears were not limiting factor. That and Montreal isn't hard on it's tires.

https://media.formula1.com/image/upload ... preview-en


Note the tire differences from 2024 ...

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The top speed came after the upgrade cause top speed was maybe the only good positive thing form AMR24 and AMR25, at Imola Alonso talked with De la Rosa about top speed issue. But Barcelona looked better especially after the front wing adjustments. Finger crossed to confirm it in Canada.

[TyreSlip]

I am the biggest supporter there could be of Alonso, but this year is the first time he starts to show signs of wear.....he is so talented that he can still manage races better than most, but raw speed is fading.

Raw speed is fading? What evidence is there to support that statement? Stroll has been Alonso's benchmark since 2023 and is no closer in qualifying or in overall race pace. I apologise if I am mistaken, but I believe you were the one who said that "2012 Alonso would be fighting with the Ferraris and Mercedes." This car is more than half a second slower in race pace than them. Pace is relative to the quality of the car.

Come on be realistic....2012 Alonso would be behind Stroll in points?
The speed is fading, alot.
This Alonso is just a shadow of prime Alonso. Prime Alonso took Ferrari to podium almost every race despite car being slower to RB, Mercedes, McLaren sometimes even Lotus(Renault).....so prime Alonso would take this AM to podium also

Just wow.

[-wkst-]

The team already admitted that one problem is aero efficiency, together with a weak front end (too much understeer), which is also a mechanical problem. The combination of that is a slow race car, which is masked in Q with new tyres.

[GoranF1]

Raw speed is fading? What evidence is there to support that statement? Stroll has been Alonso's benchmark since 2023 and is no closer in qualifying or in overall race pace. I apologise if I am mistaken, but I believe you were the one who said that "2012 Alonso would be fighting with the Ferraris and Mercedes." This car is more than half a second slower in race pace than them. Pace is relative to the quality of the car.

Come on be realistic....2012 Alonso would be behind Stroll in points?
The speed is fading, alot.
This Alonso is just a shadow of prime Alonso. Prime Alonso took Ferrari to podium almost every race despite car being slower to RB, Mercedes, McLaren sometimes even Lotus(Renault).....so prime Alonso would take this AM to podium also

Just wow.

You think Alonso is just as fast as he always was?

[TyreSlip]

Come on be realistic....2012 Alonso would be behind Stroll in points?
The speed is fading, alot.
This Alonso is just a shadow of prime Alonso. Prime Alonso took Ferrari to podium almost every race despite car being slower to RB, Mercedes, McLaren sometimes even Lotus(Renault).....so prime Alonso would take this AM to podium also

Just wow.

You think Alonso is just as fast as he always was?

I don't feel it's worth my time debating when you use this year's points as a basis for Alonso's speed.

[diffuser]

Alonso will find a way into Q2 with this car. People here are already writing him off and talking about his replacement, but I 100% believe in him.

I think the top speed issue is BS, Stroll was 4th fastest top speed at the speed trap in Quali @ Spain. I think they solved some of their rear traction problems with the Imola upgrade. The evidence of that is the wear in Spain was higher on the fronts. The rears were not limiting factor. That and Montreal isn't hard on it's tires.

https://media.formula1.com/image/upload ... preview-en

diffuser, speed traps in qualifying can be deceiving because we don't know how much of a toe the driver had. I watched Alonso's in-car at Spain and the cars ahead were always pulling away on the front straight under the same conditions. From visual appearance of the rear wings that teams bring to tracks, Aston Martin is generally running larger wings to compensate for the lack of downforce.

He didn't have any problems passing Lawson on the 2nd to last lap.

[TyreSlip]

diffuser, speed traps in qualifying can be deceiving because we don't know how much of a toe the driver had. I watched Alonso's in-car at Spain and the cars ahead were always pulling away on the front straight under the same conditions. From visual appearance of the rear wings that teams bring to tracks, Aston Martin is generally running larger wings to compensate for the lack of downforce.

He didn't have any problems passing Lawson on the 2nd to last lap.

I said under the same conditions, other cars pulled away on the straight. Alonso was close behind Lawson and had DRS, Lawson didn't.

[diffuser]

diffuser, speed traps in qualifying can be deceiving because we don't know how much of a toe the driver had. I watched Alonso's in-car at Spain and the cars ahead were always pulling away on the front straight under the same conditions. From visual appearance of the rear wings that teams bring to tracks, Aston Martin is generally running larger wings to compensate for the lack of downforce.

He didn't have any problems passing Lawson on the 2nd to last lap.

I said under the same conditions, other cars pulled away on the straight. Alonso was close behind Lawson and had DRS, Lawson didn't.

Why wasn't he close ?

I think early on, he didn't have enough front wing. Turn 14 is front wing limited
, you're gonna have to wait to go full throttle, then it becomes catch up for the whole straight.


Below, Hulk is orange, Alonso is white. You can see this is turn 14 and how much later Alonso get on the Throttle.


Lap 62 then lap 64(with DRS) vs lawson(Blue).

[zoroastar]

Alonso will find a way into Q2 with this car. People here are already writing him off and talking about his replacement, but I 100% believe in him.

I am the biggest supporter there could be of Alonso, but this year is the first time he starts to show signs of wear.....he is so talented that he can still manage races better than most, but raw speed is fading.

Raw speed is fading? What evidence is there to support that statement? Stroll has been Alonso's benchmark since 2023 and is no closer in qualifying or in overall race pace. I apologise if I am mistaken, but I believe you were the one who said that "2012 Alonso would be fighting with the Ferraris and Mercedes." This car is more than half a second slower in race pace than them. Pace is relative to the quality of the car.

people are weirdly willing him to suddenly fall off a cliff. theres no evidence that his "raw pace" is suffering at all. the only evidence i see is that he is sick of driving under-performing cars, and probably has to fight to stay engaged when he has no chance of competing at the front. the lack of faith in this old guy is annoying af sometimes. hes done proven that an f1 driver doesnt have to lose their skill in their late 30s if they keep working. unfortunately there are still gonna be people that are gonna write them off no matter how well they do against their teammate.

[Otromundo]

I think Fernando is a stoic, and he behaves as such when he's done his best and things aren't working out. If after several intense, risky attempts to get things out of nowhere... nothing comes out ... well, then, that's it: a beach lounger for sunbathing, messing with the TV cameras... it's the anger of a bored genius. In fact, he's behaving very well now; he cares about this going well above all else.

I suppose he's confident because now he has a good team behind him. They need to be given time because, although they're tremendous professionals and it's not impossible that the car could suddenly change for the better... just in case, it's better to give them some time.

By the way, I'd like them to take a good look at the front suspension geometry. The car's bottom end and aerodynamics are very important. But ever since McL worked the miracle last season and that little thing was changed (apart from other things, yes, this is where I get confused), since then... Hmm...

From what I've seen, Pirelli plans to introduce new compounds at Spa. Apparently, they're interested in a new medium. I'm scared of them. If it weren't for this whole thing, I think Spa would be a good track to observe Drugovich and start getting to know him.

P.S.: Thanks so much for the graphics, Diffuser.