Ferrari SF15-T Pre-Launch Speculation Thread

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Dream Theater wrote:
astracrazy wrote:
Ye i never get why ferrari never do it like the others. So what was the 666 name about then?
It's a progressive project number. For example, F14-T was "Project 665", the F138 was "Project 664", and so on.
True!

btw, nice nickname! My fav band. Prog on! ( :

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Do you think this Red Bull / Ferrari F-duct nose will come to fruition?

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For a moment it felt very "Gary Anderson" like (image quality etc)
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It could, as imho it's more of a 'mashup' between the Marussia 2015 nose and the 2014 RedBull nose.
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Autosprint speculates this kind of nose
SF15T with intercooler in the V of the ICE, 500 bar injectors, very short Mercedes style manifolds. oil tank no more in the gearbox spacer but between engine and chassis. Nose low and flat , pull rod suspension.
the missed renovation of the front suspension (from pull to push) would have resulted in a major changes of the chassis diverting forces and men from the most critical areas where instead it was possible to intervene
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Harsha wrote:Autosprint speculates this kind of nose
SF15T with intercooler in the V of the ICE, 500 bar injectors, very short Mercedes style manifolds. oil tank no more in the gearbox spacer but between engine and chassis. Nose low and flat , pull rod suspension.
the missed renovation of the front suspension (from pull to push) would have resulted in a major changes of the chassis diverting forces and men from the most critical areas where instead it was possible to intervene
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8VdFpwCMAIEp_1.jpg:large

Looks good

But intercooler within the V would mean a turbo layout similar to last year

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WilliamsF1 wrote:
Harsha wrote:Autosprint speculates this kind of nose
SF15T with intercooler in the V of the ICE, 500 bar injectors, very short Mercedes style manifolds. oil tank no more in the gearbox spacer but between engine and chassis. Nose low and flat , pull rod suspension.
the missed renovation of the front suspension (from pull to push) would have resulted in a major changes of the chassis diverting forces and men from the most critical areas where instead it was possible to intervene
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8VdFpwCMAIEp_1.jpg:large

Looks good

But intercooler within the V would mean a turbo layout similar to last year
Can someone help me here? Will they really be able to get anything like the same amount of cooling with their intercooler on top of the engine where it's very hot, compared with a team that has the intercooler in the sidepod. Clearly, there'll be packaging advantages but it seems like a strange one to me. Thoughts from someone with more technical insight would be appreciated!

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bonjon1979 wrote:
WilliamsF1 wrote:
Harsha wrote:Autosprint speculates this kind of nose
SF15T with intercooler in the V of the ICE, 500 bar injectors, very short Mercedes style manifolds. oil tank no more in the gearbox spacer but between engine and chassis. Nose low and flat , pull rod suspension.
the missed renovation of the front suspension (from pull to push) would have resulted in a major changes of the chassis diverting forces and men from the most critical areas where instead it was possible to intervene
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8VdFpwCMAIEp_1.jpg:large

Looks good

But intercooler within the V would mean a turbo layout similar to last year
Can someone help me here? Will they really be able to get anything like the same amount of cooling with their intercooler on top of the engine where it's very hot, compared with a team that has the intercooler in the sidepod. Clearly, there'll be packaging advantages but it seems like a strange one to me. Thoughts from someone with more technical insight would be appreciated!
Ferrari use a liquid to air intercooler.

That means that there are two parts to teh intercooler. The part in the vee cools thair with coolant. The coolant is then routed to a radiator mounted in the sidepod. The radiator should be smaller than an air to air intercooler.

The other advantage is that the path from the compressor to the inlet is shorter than required by routing it through a sidepod intercooler.

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Another lost year for Kimi ... same front suspension

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Thanks Wuzak. I can see there are advantages to this system but I imagine there is also extra weight with regard to the coolant and the pump used to move the coolant. Interesting.

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mcalex wrote:Another lost year for Kimi ... same front suspension
I hope not, but it surprises me a lot to keep the same suspension. Perhaps I am wrong but I think that Vettel would prefer another type of suspension too. Both drivers could work better with a similar set-up.

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Why Vettel and Raikkonen would prefer push rod instead of pull rod ? You have no proof that Raikkonen problems was because of pull rod, so why talking about this subject ? Really, i don't understand.

Alonso said many times there is no difference between the two when you drive. If front pull rod was a problem for Ferrari, it would have been ditched two years ago already. The team know better why Raikkonen was not happy last year so please, stop this speculation with pull rod push rod..

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Alonso doesn't need very precise feedback from the front so it's not a big difference for him if the front behaves this way or that way ...
Another thing - Lotus had a very good front response and overall balance and as soon as they started to mock around wheel base llength it disturbed the balance that Kimi needs and he was slower. As soon as they gave him the SWB car again he was as fast as before ...

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Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:Why Vettel and Raikkonen would prefer push rod instead of pull rod ? You have no proof that Raikkonen problems was because of pull rod, so why talking about this subject ? Really, i don't understand.

Alonso said many times there is no difference between the two when you drive. If front pull rod was a problem for Ferrari, it would have been ditched two years ago already. The team know better why Raikkonen was not happy last year so please, stop this speculation with pull rod push rod..
This forum is about to speculate, sorry If I behave with some logic. I could be wrong, I have never stated that it is true.

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Vasconia wrote:
Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:Why Vettel and Raikkonen would prefer push rod instead of pull rod ? You have no proof that Raikkonen problems was because of pull rod, so why talking about this subject ? Really, i don't understand.

Alonso said many times there is no difference between the two when you drive. If front pull rod was a problem for Ferrari, it would have been ditched two years ago already. The team know better why Raikkonen was not happy last year so please, stop this speculation with pull rod push rod..
This forum is about to speculate, sorry If I behave with some logic. I could be wrong, I have never stated that it is true.
You could made educated guess. So little knowledge of kinematics an harmonics and OLE you got my +1 for the effort. :)
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