Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[zyphro]

Even if MSC was on the wrong setup, he still finished infront of Nico; 1 more lap he would've had 5th and quite possibly 4th. That's good enough for me.

[bhall]

Even if MSC was on the wrong setup, he still finished infront of Nico; 1 more lap he would've had 5th and quite possibly 4th. That's good enough for me.

Well, apparently Britney had a bad set of tires.

If so, can you really blame the tires, though? I'd be deflated too if I was a tire and allocated to Mercedes. That's no way to spend such a short life.

"---. This is gonna hurt."

[zyphro]

Even if MSC was on the wrong setup, he still finished infront of Nico; 1 more lap he would've had 5th and quite possibly 4th. That's good enough for me.

Well, apparently Britney had a bad set of tires. If so, can you really blame the tires? I'd be deflated too if I was a tire and allocated to Mercedes. That's no way to spend a short life.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's true - I seem to remember Schumacher have a bad set of Pirelli's in SS and doing a bad middle stint as a result.

Having said that, I saw Schumacher frequently weaving on the pit straight.

[Gerhard Berger]

Seijakessen,

Ron Dennis started out as a mechanic also.

Yes, but as xpensive said, Ron at least had the decency to never call himself a technical director.

No one on this forum has been able to actually explain to me, what Ross actually did as a TD during the Benetton and Ferrari years. The best I've gotten was when one poster made a post that read more like a Technical Director job posting than anything else. I guess here is my point. Were Ross so instrumental in the success of Benetton and Ferrari --instead of being MrM's ambassador to those teams-- then it really shouldn't be so difficult for him to do the same things with MGP. He was there for 7 championships worth of succcess, yet nothing carries over?

You could say the same about any technical director of any team. I mean what did they do? Only insiders know the specifics. It was published that Ross was well involved with transferring the whole process to Maranello, hiring new engineers (many of whom are in senior positions now) and building a new wind tunnel at Maranello.

As i stated before, Ross' position at MGP is different to his positions at Ferrari and Benetton.

[zyphro]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102447

the Mercedes W03 will feature its version of the Coanda-type exhaust that has been put to such good use by McLaren, Ferrari and Sauber this season.

=D> .

[xpensive]

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You could say the same about any technical director of any team. I mean what did they do?
...

Most Technical directors are/were engineers, which gives a vague hint of what they do/did.

[schumifan]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102447

the Mercedes W03 will feature its version of the Coanda-type exhaust that has been put to such good use by McLaren, Ferrari and Sauber this season.

=D> .

hey man - this all sounds very nice, eh. here is hoping for us schumi fans

[NewtonMeter]

The W04 is also alleged to be an evolution of the W03, and I can see them struggling yet again with tyres in 2013.

Who alleged this?

If true, and I'm not saying it isn't (I just want to know who said so), it's not neccesarily a bad thing. I like the example that the Mp4-20 was an evolution of the MP4-19/18.

[zyphro]

The W04 is also alleged to be an evolution of the W03, and I can see them struggling yet again with tyres in 2013.

Who alleged this?

If true, and I'm not saying it isn't (I just want to know who said so), it's not neccesarily a bad thing. I like the example that the Mp4-20 was an evolution of the MP4-19/18.

Everything is indicating towards an evolution IMO, especially when you consider the lack of changes for next year. But what do I know?

[SeijaKessen]

What indeed carried over, to Brawn, was the support from MrM to circumvent the diffuser-rules in an outrageous fashion.

Just imagine FIA's reaction if McLaren had tried a stunt like that, impounded cars and another 100 MUSD fine perhaps?

It pays to be friends with people in high places.

If you don't like the rules, you can just ask nicely on the basis of friendship, "Can you just add a slight loophole to the rules, this way I can get a retirement package handed to me on a silver platter?"

Ron the Con and McLaren would have also been accused of bringing the sport into disrepute had they been the ones to invoke the almighty double diffuser. Not to mention the ruling in favor of Brawn on the double diffuser, would have suddenly been declared illegal had it been McLaren who circumvented the rules first.

The real truth behind Brawn GP was as soon as the other teams brought upgrade packages, the Brawn GP01 suddenly wasn't looking as mighty as it was early in the season. Doesn't that lack of upgrade packages sound rather familiar...?

[SeijaKessen]

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You could say the same about any technical director of any team. I mean what did they do?
...

Most Technical directors are/were engineers, which gives a vague hint of what they do/did.

I have this feeling Jean would come up with an idea, and then in an effort to please MrM, he would give credit to Ross to help bolster Ross's resume so it looked like Ross was a real asset to the team.

[SeijaKessen]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102447

the Mercedes W03 will feature its version of the Coanda-type exhaust that has been put to such good use by McLaren, Ferrari and Sauber this season.

=D> .

I love in the article how the authors write...

"Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn told AUTOSPORT that the outfit had perhaps neglected car development too much recently."

Understatement of the year...?

[zyphro]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102447

the Mercedes W03 will feature its version of the Coanda-type exhaust that has been put to such good use by McLaren, Ferrari and Sauber this season.

=D> .

I love in the article how the authors write...

"Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn told AUTOSPORT that the outfit had perhaps neglected car development too much recently."

Understatement of the year...?

Quite.

[Timstr]

Equally significant is to upgrade to a 60% tunnel model.
All the time they were running 50%.
So now they're seeing more detail in their simulations.
I always wondered why they kept dismissing the coanda exhaust as insignificant, while most teams around them did see significant benefits.

[zyphro]

It is a question of: too little too late? We'll soon find out.