Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[marcush.]

Cant understand why Schumacher and Rosberg are happy with the Monza results. They got lucky that Seb - Jensons and Webber got out of the race or else they would be around p10 again.

I really cant see the mentioned progress.

Months of time wasted by searching the operating window while the others just improved on all areas MGP is still searching for the sweet spot of the tyres. Keep on searching Brawn! It didnt buy them anything. The car is still eating tyres and they are dropping in performance every race.

The expectations are to high. MGP is nothing more then a midfield runner in my eyes. They are miles away from even gettin close to a topteam.

the strategy was totally crap and MGP managed to ha´ve both cars on the same shitty schedule...this is the amazing bit..One does not really understand where the reasoning is in trying to make those used options live longer than the car was good for..and in the end not being able to release all potential from the prime tyre ....tyre understanding.

Guys .the good ones excell in having a handle on things quicker than others it´s called talent if I´m correct .It may be education and it may also be useful to sport some intelligence ..But putting all eggs in one basket is lame especially when there is not much to be lost taking a litlle risk or being a bit challenging.
Askimng 3 qualy laps from you driver when is already sliding around i s- a joke -as ms put it.

[Ferraripilot]

It is a question of: too little too late? We'll soon find out.

I think they want to just win a race or two before the year is out.

[marcush.]

from those words of brawn s i can only read-heck we might have been asleep for a bit too long this year but who cares we will not understand that coanda thing anyways so it does not really matter..

[zyphro]

It is a question of: too little too late? We'll soon find out.

I think they want to just win a race or two before the year is out.

I'd be ecstatic if that were to happen (and it'd give MSC a reason to stay on). We'll have to wait and see.

[yener]

Best part of the race today was:

Team radio:
Box: "Michael, we need 3 qualy laps, push now."
MSC: "Are you joking?"

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad

Did Michael really reply with that? I never got that only the former.

Really? that must be the funniest moment of the race.

I listened the first part but not Michaels answer, I have to chek the race again.

Michaels laptime was 1secon faster after the radiocall.

[snoop1050]

Even if MSC was on the wrong setup, he still finished infront of Nico; 1 more lap he would've had 5th and quite possibly 4th. That's good enough for me.

Well, apparently Britney had a bad set of tires.

If so, can you really blame the tires, though? I'd be deflated too if I was a tire and allocated to Mercedes. That's no way to spend such a short life.

"---. This is gonna hurt."

i think it was just how the merc treated the tyres schumacher was zig zagging down the straight often like it was the warmup lap.

maybe rosberg could have needed to do the same

[marcush.]

maybe our respected team member JT can shed some light on "BAD TYRESETS" ...?

I could understand a whole bat´ch of tyres not performaing to the usual standards but just 4 of them and all like magic finding their way on Rosbergs car ? Mind you there are front and rear tyres different size ......the whole idea of bad tyre sets is absurd and if it happens the team should have a very close look at either their tyre pressure gages ,the humidity in their airtanks or the temperature under their blankets or other things the tyre guy might do or leave in the future to avoid this happen ever again...

[snoop1050]

scumacher claimed sometimes this year that he could feel vibration in the tyres because they werent balanced so i wouldnt be suprised if pirrelis tyres arent very consistent and theres alot of dodygy ones that shouldnt have passed QA

[bhall]

[...]
"Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn told AUTOSPORT that the outfit had perhaps neglected car development too much recently."

[...]

We suffer from mid-corner understeer and we can't dial out that understeer because we then have [corner] entrance and exit issues. But it's almost a classic racing car problem because when you reach the limit of the car it behaves in a certain way. The range of balance in the car is probably too great at the moment and that could be improved by the aerodynamic or mechanical side and we are working on both aspects to improve the car.

They can't even approach balancing the car, and they aren't exactly developing it. What are they doing, and should I apply to be their TD?

[SeijaKessen]

[...]
"Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn told AUTOSPORT that the outfit had perhaps neglected car development too much recently."

[...]

We suffer from mid-corner understeer and we can't dial out that understeer because we then have [corner] entrance and exit issues. But it's almost a classic racing car problem because when you reach the limit of the car it behaves in a certain way. The range of balance in the car is probably too great at the moment and that could be improved by the aerodynamic or mechanical side and we are working on both aspects to improve the car.

They can't even approach balancing the car, and they aren't exactly developing it. What are they doing, and should I apply to be their TD?

I have no doubt were we to install Marcus as the Team Principal of MGP, Michael Schumacher would have won at least one race this year.

The whole thing is ludicrous regarding MGP.

What I cannot understand is why this is not a larger media story.

It has all the makings of a great story to be chased by the media; ineptness, failure, fraud, etc.

Yet no one says much about all the fraud around this team, and continues to take Ross's word for it?

[zyphro]

Have to agree; pathetic really. It's just one thing after another, only this "upgrade" can save Ross's ass from further destruction.

Unless the upgrade provides big aerodynamic gains, Merc will be eaten alive by everyone in Suzuka.

[zyphro]

[...]
"Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn told AUTOSPORT that the outfit had perhaps neglected car development too much recently."

[...]

We suffer from mid-corner understeer and we can't dial out that understeer because we then have [corner] entrance and exit issues. But it's almost a classic racing car problem because when you reach the limit of the car it behaves in a certain way. The range of balance in the car is probably too great at the moment and that could be improved by the aerodynamic or mechanical side and we are working on both aspects to improve the car.

They can't even approach balancing the car, and they aren't exactly developing it. What are they doing, and should I apply to be their TD?

What would Plato do?

[bhall]

Ideally, he'd shutter the Brackley-based team as it's proven itself to be a veritable cave where intelligence apparently goes to die. At the very least, he'd relieve of duty those who've failed to learn from both the team's history and each other. Barring those outcomes, he might not stick around for too long, because the team appears to have trouble recognizing a single solution for anything. I can imagine him clutching his chest and crying to the heavens, Redd Foxx-style, "Ya hear that, Socrates? I'm comin' to join ya." (That last bit might just be because I'm weird, though.)

Sound about right?

[xpensive]

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall during a management-meeting at Brackley, Ross the Toss trying to follow an agenda with the three kings, Elliot Ness, Small Fry and the Hutt. What would be on top of said agenda, mindboggling really?

[MGPW03]

Looking at the comments in past some weeks, I think frustration is getting to some of you and you are venting it out. And I don't blame you for that because it has been three years and we all want them them to do well so very intensely.

My only complaint is that they should have been a bit more frank and admitted that they do not understand the underlying fundamental problem at all, bcz all the time they gave the impression that they have identified the problem and working to overcome it.
I think MS is the kind of person who gives his best and expects the best effort from team irrespective of the results. If he is staying in the team beyond current season then it would mean that he has faith in the efforts and ability of team. I think we should wait till his announcement about his future plans.
And maybe MS himself doesn't have clue at all about team so he is waiting for some substantial evidence like the outcome of current upgrades.