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Turn 15 is a weird one as exit speed doesn't tell the whole story. A slower 15 can yield a later braking for 16 and better line through 17, so it's one of those give and take corners where the fastest line is mysteriously counter intuitive.HondaPOD wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 00:13Amazing qualifying and good speed shown by Max, RBR and Honda.
RBH lost time to Mercedes in the slow corners, especially the last one.
Guys, What do you think about the speed shown here ?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_YPT8FW4AInADJ.jpg
Looking at the video, lag seems pretty obvious and 0.2sec time lost as quoted by Max seems reasonable. Also RB looks to be on rails and handling buttery smooth all along the track. Looks like a well balanced car after all the struggles during FPJuzh wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 23:02verstappen's q3 lap 1.25.276
https://streamable.com/dms62
https://streamable.com/dms62
When I watched qualifying video, it looked like he was too slow out of T3 & T4, which corroborates with this graphic you shared. Throttle lag issue which Max was complaining about was pretty evident here and also the last corner. In fact when he started his Q3 lap, looked like he carried much lower speed out of the last cornerHondaPOD wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 00:13Amazing qualifying and good speed shown by Max, RBR and Honda.
RBH lost time to Mercedes in the slow corners, especially the last one.
Guys, What do you think about the speed shown here ?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_YPT8FW4AInADJ.jpg
Maybe thep did something for that and it also needs fine tunninggodlameroso wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 23:23Fast, and you can tell where there is lag in power. Perhaps deliberate to manage wheelspin.
I copied it from autosport forum and did not find the source on the amus.AMuS:
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Honda is considering introducing its next engine specification before the summer break at the GP of Hungary. The upgrade should bring an extra 25 HP. Technically, that makes no sense because the Hungaroring is not a track where engine power is that important. It looks like a political move; to convince Max Verstappen it pays to stay with Red Bull. If Honda did not upgrade until after the summer break, it would possibly be too late
looks like "the lag" is from 3rd and 4th. at beginning of lap. more like just wrong gear. check revs!loner wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 23:12hard luck MAX .. oh massive lag .. did they expect a pole ?!!Juzh wrote: ↑13 Jul 2019, 23:02verstappen's q3 lap 1.25.276
https://streamable.com/dms62
https://streamable.com/dms62
thnx Juzh
if RBR perform well tomorrow in the race i'll understand the weird boast from Honda to their jet crew and IHI people while introducing the spec 3 which was meaningless after the bad show in France before they mastered the sofware and turn the john wick uplater on...
They may intoduce it before the summerbreak but I don't think it is because of what Verstappen will do and in the other hand Verstappen must be aware of what is coming from package next year. This is just first year and they are not bad now. Things going better. Maybe they will be best at the end of season.KelsO wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 09:20I copied it from autosport forum and did not find the source on the amus.AMuS:
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Honda is considering introducing its next engine specification before the summer break at the GP of Hungary. The upgrade should bring an extra 25 HP. Technically, that makes no sense because the Hungaroring is not a track where engine power is that important. It looks like a political move; to convince Max Verstappen it pays to stay with Red Bull. If Honda did not upgrade until after the summer break, it would possibly be too late
Yes, I read that Marco denied this message, but it seems to me that this makes sense. PU requires fine tuning, sometimes Honda takes several steps to unlock the potential of the engine. Spa and Monza are definitely very important stages to lose them due to poor package settings. In Hungary, they can introduce an update, specifically for setting up PU mapping, in order to be in good shape with SPA and Monza.
No, I don't think the reason is Max. I think that in secret they hope to challenge Mercedes already this season, but they don’t talk about it in order not to look silly.etusch wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 09:48
They may intoduce it before the summerbreak but I don't think it is because of what Verstappen will do and in the other hand Verstappen must be aware of what is coming from package next year. This is just first year and they are not bad now. Things going better. Maybe they will be best at the end of season.
Remember How Mercedes convinced Hamilton. Merc was not that good. It is not about current performance but future
Bill wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 09:56Why would Max leave Rbr he is their lead driver undisputed number one . Redbull are on the up they just won a race and Honda have been very aggressive with its upgrades constantly finding gains while the likes of merc have faltered perhaps due to their mature concept,then we got new regulations in 2021 so we don't know who would be top dog again with budget cap. The media constantly buggering about Max leaving redbull is annoying is like they want to create a wedge btn him and team or they afraid merc will be beaten.
I think if they can fight with merc here they do it rest of seasonKelsO wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 10:10No, I don't think the reason is Max. I think that in secret they hope to challenge Mercedes already this season, but they don’t talk about it in order not to look silly.etusch wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 09:48
They may intoduce it before the summerbreak but I don't think it is because of what Verstappen will do and in the other hand Verstappen must be aware of what is coming from package next year. This is just first year and they are not bad now. Things going better. Maybe they will be best at the end of season.
Remember How Mercedes convinced Hamilton. Merc was not that good. It is not about current performance but future
Yes, I thinked about it and it is logical. I forgot about Toro Rosso. It may well be.