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No mention of updates from the drivers today just a ‘very quick car’
It's possible that they are feeling the effects of the reduction of windtunnel and CFD hours as the 1st ranking team. There is a need to split resources between this year and next year. So it's unreasonable to expect the same amount of output as teams which have more time (this is effectively what you are all are measuring them against)FittingMechanics wrote: ↑15 May 2025, 22:28I believe any team that is "dominant" will postpone or withheld the upgrades. McLaren seems to be the fastest, they are running away with the WCC and doing quite well in WDC. Why push an update, maybe become even faster and then get a reactive FIA clampdown because you are too dominant.
I wouldn't worry about the team updates. They proved they know what they are doing, slow and methodical is the way to go.
Aren't they too dominant already?FittingMechanics wrote: ↑15 May 2025, 22:28I believe any team that is "dominant" will postpone or withheld the upgrades. McLaren seems to be the fastest, they are running away with the WCC and doing quite well in WDC. Why push an update, maybe become even faster and then get a reactive FIA clampdown because you are too dominant.
I wouldn't worry about the team updates. They proved they know what they are doing, slow and methodical is the way to go.
I wonder too if they are being careful not to fall into the trap Red Bull did too this years car I think most have seen has some of the RB20 traits early last year best car but a bit more on edge. Add what you mention and be careful before you commit too much and find what Red Bull did probably too late - at least in so far its taking a lot of backtracking to try and get on the right path again.AR3-GP wrote: ↑15 May 2025, 22:42It's possible that they are feeling the effects of the reduction of windtunnel and CFD hours as the 1st ranking team. There is a need to split resources between this year and next year. So it's unreasonable to expect the same amount of output as teams which have more time (this is effectively what you are all are measuring them against)FittingMechanics wrote: ↑15 May 2025, 22:28I believe any team that is "dominant" will postpone or withheld the upgrades. McLaren seems to be the fastest, they are running away with the WCC and doing quite well in WDC. Why push an update, maybe become even faster and then get a reactive FIA clampdown because you are too dominant.
I wouldn't worry about the team updates. They proved they know what they are doing, slow and methodical is the way to go.
Absolutely. The 30+ second win in Miami created a storm of "what are they doing in there?" calls, sending thermal imaging to FIA, massive media speculation etc etc. At least the FIA tech guys haven't been able to work out what McLaren have done for their "domination".FittingMechanics wrote: ↑15 May 2025, 22:28I believe any team that is "dominant" will postpone or withheld the upgrades. McLaren seems to be the fastest, they are running away with the WCC and doing quite well in WDC. Why push an update, maybe become even faster and then get a reactive FIA clampdown because you are too dominant.
I wouldn't worry about the team updates. They proved they know what they are doing, slow and methodical is the way to go.
May I add the state of the art windtunnel that McLaren invested into, and which came into operation, in 2023. They spent more than half a year calibrating it, and the reason the 2024 car (the real car which came in Miami and won Lando his first race) was so good was because this facility played a major role in terms of generating data for their simulators. McLaren's correlation between sim and real world, I guess, is the best on the grid.BMMR61 wrote: ↑16 May 2025, 03:31Absolutely. The 30+ second win in Miami created a storm of "what are they doing in there?" calls, sending thermal imaging to FIA, massive media speculation etc etc. At least the FIA tech guys haven't been able to work out what McLaren have done for their "domination".FittingMechanics wrote: ↑15 May 2025, 22:28I believe any team that is "dominant" will postpone or withheld the upgrades. McLaren seems to be the fastest, they are running away with the WCC and doing quite well in WDC. Why push an update, maybe become even faster and then get a reactive FIA clampdown because you are too dominant.
I wouldn't worry about the team updates. They proved they know what they are doing, slow and methodical is the way to go.
McLaren have built strongly since their early 2023 mess, a legacy of a team structure which failed to acknowledge and integrate the aero work of PP. Andrea laid it on the line and said that they had a major upgrade coming before mid season and stuck to that with the Austria/Silverstone revelation. They only diverted from stated intent after that when the "three main upgrades" became two as they held back until Singapore. 2023 was a great step up with some deserved podiums and a sprint win.
2024 again started poorly with what Andrea said were issues about being behind schedule getting the MCL60 fully ready. This was shown to be more than excuse making when by round 3 they were solidly in the points. But again a major upgrade was promised well in advance and not introduced until Miami. It worked, the only proviso being it worked better than their simulations predicted - a minor though distinct issue? Later in the season Andrea went against popular team opinion that the end of regs was reaching the end of it's evolution when he said the performance trajectory at McLaren would continue for some time.
My main points are - Andrea doesn't BS like some are, and the engineering team have been engaged in a more systematic approach that draws strong correlation to wind tunnel data and simulations, resulting in "upgrades" that are mega, and updates that often produce workable results. Fans are always clamouring for "upgrades" but updates of questionable value are the usual result at many teams. One has to look at Aston Martin to see this. At Miami this year, two years of "upgrades" produced a 0.2 deficit to 2023 qualifying. Meanwhile McLaren were 2.1 seconds quicker!
Anyways. This is GP weekend and all the huff and puff of who brought what. I'm less interested in the C6 tyre than I am of the need to use C4 and C5 in the race. The only interesting thing about the C6 to me is if it will endure a qualifying lap without massive fall off in the final sector - something that McLaren may be able to once again ace.
According to Zach Brown, the first car to be developed in the new wind tunnel was the MCL39.venkyhere wrote: ↑16 May 2025, 06:04May I add the state of the art windtunnel that McLaren invested into, and which came into operation, in 2023. They spent more than half a year calibrating it, and the reason the 2024 car (the real car which came in Miami and won Lando his first race) was so good was because this facility played a major role in terms of generating data for their simulators. McLaren's correlation between sim and real world, I guess, is the best on the grid.
In the cost-cap age, what rolls out of wind tunnel development needs to work. McLaren have for two years seemed to have never taken a backward step. The technology which has resulted in the exceptional tyre temperature control is likely to be a range of individual elements developed there all working in unison. As it appears the technical team appear to be doing, proud and exciting times after years of pain for us fans._cerber1 wrote: ↑16 May 2025, 06:52According to Zach Brown, the first car to be developed in the new wind tunnel was the MCL39.venkyhere wrote: ↑16 May 2025, 06:04May I add the state of the art windtunnel that McLaren invested into, and which came into operation, in 2023. They spent more than half a year calibrating it, and the reason the 2024 car (the real car which came in Miami and won Lando his first race) was so good was because this facility played a major role in terms of generating data for their simulators. McLaren's correlation between sim and real world, I guess, is the best on the grid.