2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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https://www.crash.net/f1/feature/106832 ... ement-2025

If you check the times RB21 is not faster in race trim but faster in qualification.So they clearly developed a faster car that eat tyres like crazy.

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Macafangrskg wrote:
13 May 2025, 17:44
https://www.crash.net/f1/feature/106832 ... ement-2025

If you check the times RB21 is not faster in race trim but faster in qualification.So they clearly developed a faster car that eat tyres like crazy.
I think you'd need a deeper look that that and at least isolate Max's race pace year on year with different team mates this year plus as the article mentions the Red Bull was clearly the fastest car early in the season before the McLaren Miami upgrade.

It was only a few races ago where Max got his penalty with Oscar where late in the race Max was gaining ever so slightly on the McLaren near the end of the race - granted is they were threatened they may have found some extra speed against Max.

Car in free air vs in traffic more tyre deg and so on.

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Red Bull has planned another update package in Barcelona.
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/34733431 ... j-red-bull

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organic wrote:
14 May 2025, 16:51
Red Bull has planned another update package in Barcelona.
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/34733431 ... j-red-bull
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That article is behind a paywall. :)

https://archive.is/toyw0#selection-503.0-527.349

Some quotes translated:

IMOLA - The rumour mill in Formula 1 is running at full speed as usual. Now it is Red Bull team boss Christian Horner who is once again the centre of attention, because his future is said to be at stake. But how much of that is true? The fact is that the pressure on his team is high in the coming weeks.

First a report in a magazine in Italy, followed by an update from the Austrian news channel OE24. Red Bull Racing CEO Christian Horner could be relieved of his duties by the energy drinks company's top management after the upcoming race in Imola, if the team is not competitive during the first European race of the season on Sunday. It is, after all, Red Bull's 400th race in Formula 1.

Red Bull has sunk far
Insiders claim to this newspaper that there is no question of Horner (51), the team boss since the very beginning, being dismissed. And the two names that are already circulating as possible successors are not being taken seriously at all. Oliver Oakes recently resigned from Alpine due to personal problems, after his younger brother (and co-director of his racing team Hitech) was arrested with a large sum of cash in his pocket and charged. Since then, Oakes himself has been in Dubai. And the other ex-team boss who is mentioned as a candidate, Franz Tost, was sent away from Red Bull's sister team Racing Bulls two years ago. Although the now 79-year-old Austrian himself has always indicated that he resigned of his own accord.
That the pressure on Horner, from outside but also internally, is increasing is not so surprising, apart from the rumours of the past week. Red Bull was still unbeatable in 2023, but has sunk considerably after a promising start to the previous season. It was largely thanks to Max Verstappen that the drivers' title was still secured.
After six races, the Dutchman is now 32 points behind World Championship leader Oscar Piastri of the dominant McLaren. In warm Miami, the difference between the two teams became painfully clear earlier this month.
Will team Max Verstappen indeed receive a huge package of updates?
Red Bull must show improvement in the coming weeks. Otherwise, at some point the – equally painful – conclusion can be drawn that the focus should be set on 2026. Here and there, it is still thought that Red Bull will come up with a huge package of updates (new parts) during the first European race in Imola and will thus make a great catch-up.
However, that narrative has been firmly refuted for weeks. Some innovations were already introduced in Jeddah, in Miami Verstappen got a new floor under his RB21 and from next weekend teammate Yuki Tsunoda will also be able to use it. Red Bull wants to make progress step by step, but the question is whether that is not much too late.

In Imola, Verstappen will once again ‘receive’ several small updates, but it is not expected that these will suddenly yield tenths of a second. Given Red Bull’s decline in the past twelve months and the team’s inconsistency, some realism or pessimism is appropriate. Apart from the fact that the narrow Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari is normally not made for the RB21, because a driver has to take a lot of kerbstones and that has been a worry child for the team for years.
What is in the pipeline at Red Bull?
A week later, the famous race in Monaco follows, another circuit that makes Verstappen’s car tremble. Another weekend later, Red Bull has planned another update package in Barcelona. That is also the race in which the FIA ​​will be checking more strictly on the use of flexible front wings, which McLaren in particular is accused of. Although that team says – of course – that it is not at all worried about that rule change.
Max Verstappen congratulates World Championship leader Oscar Piastri in Saudi Arabia on the victory.

In short; in the coming European races it must become clear where Red Bull stands and whether it can still offer Verstappen the material to make a bid for his fifth world title. Starting in Imola. If not, the unrest surrounding the team and its Dutch leader and his future will probably only increase again.
The Power of Dreams!

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so still not clear if we will see the McLaren style brake stuff

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That Telegraph article seems to be still talking about updates at Imola that bring performance in the traditional sense (downforce - a tenth or so at best) and not race pace through better tyre management because a MCL type brake cooling upgrade would definitely be worth tenths in race pace. Everybody is still in the dark as to when the improved brake cooling update is coming, we'll have to wait and see. I hope it is brought ahead in Imola and the Spain update is more to do with adjusting the front wing etc. for the new TD.

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The RB20 and RB21 cars clearly lack that extra bit the RB19 had in slow and medium speed in race trim. While a comparison was already shot down here citing many factors, every team improved in slow speed at Miami relative to 2023 whereas RB21 didn't. That's all there is to see.

I don't think any magic gold bullet will fix this. The only way is to do tests on RB19 and understand how they had the relative balance of performance they had. I have mentioned it twice or thrice already but Macca completely changed characteristics with the Miami upgrade. They went from super OP on high speed to a car that gains so much more elsewhere. RB20 was weak even in testing in medium speed versus Ferrari should my memory be right.

I am optimistic about snatching a win or two but title is not going to happen. If they pull it off, it will be a miracle and those things don't happen.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Another day, another article about an upgrade :roll:

This is a quote from the article:

‘While it is confirmed that Verstappen will receive the full package of upgrades at Imola, it remains uncertain whether Red Bull’s sister team, VCARB, will receive the same components.’

Has to be legit then :lol:

Full article:

https://thejudge13.com/2025/05/14/red-b ... verything/

Mclaren have an all British driver line up as well :lol:
Awesome reporting :roll:
Just a fan's point of view

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Why on earth should VCARB receive same upgrade as Red Bull ? :lol:

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Written by Ai for sure. The future is bright indeed.

Be interesting to see if they do bring new parts and if they would be able to be useful even after Spain.

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The rumors about CH leaving is just noise and rubbish according to Helmut Marko.

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Seems like the new sidepod aspect of the article was true though.
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
15 May 2025, 13:32
Seems like the new sidepod aspect of the article was true though.
Probably a change like this is worth less than we think

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I agree. Ferrari changed their sidepods in Imola last season if you recall as well….
Just a fan's point of view

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Apparently Max beat the nurburgring lap record by 2 seconds after just 3 laps :lol: