How to fix F1?

[leblanc]

If we want tens of laps with wheel-to-wheel racing then ban all the over body aero

The cars would qualify in efficiency order and race 50 laps in efficiency order.

Define efficiency.

[JordanMugen]

If we want tens of laps with wheel-to-wheel racing then ban all the over body aero

The cars would qualify in efficiency order and race 50 laps in efficiency order.

Define efficiency.

Lift-to-drag ratio.

[izzy]

The cars would qualify in efficiency order and race 50 laps in efficiency order.

Define efficiency.

Lift-to-drag ratio.

Zackly

[FW17]

FIA and FOM need to be on change page. In 2022 they were together, changes happened, but since the end of that season they are not even close.

FIA even refused to close the outwash from front wing end plate and end vortices from rear wing developments for the 2nd year. The raising of the floor edges has also contributed to dirty air, which was immediately in 2023, again something that was not even discussed to reverse it.

FIA has made it clear they are not going to change any regulations for 2025, detrimental to the racing and show , but it will not change until FIA and FOM stop their civil war.

[leblanc]

Define efficiency.

Lift-to-drag ratio.

Zackly

If you believe lift-to-drag ratio would singularly determine race orders, then you both suffer from two-dimensional thinking. And that isn't amusing at all.

[izzy]

Lift-to-drag ratio.

Zackly

If you believe lift-to-drag ratio would singularly determine race orders, then you both suffer from two-dimensional thinking. And that isn't amusing at all.

You don't think scrapping upper body aero is a bit two, no one dimensional?

There'd just be a best design the whole year, same as now. And if there's less wake then any cars that qualify out of order get past sooner and then they all go round and round in order however many times, more times.

[De Wet]

FIA and FOM need to be on change page. In 2022 they were together, changes happened, but since the end of that season they are not even close.

FIA even refused to close the outwash from front wing end plate and end vortices from rear wing developments for the 2nd year. The raising of the floor edges has also contributed to dirty air, which was immediately in 2023, again something that was not even discussed to reverse it.

FIA has made it clear they are not going to change any regulations for 2025, detrimental to the racing and show , but it will not change until FIA and FOM stop their civil war.

Liberty Is Killing F1...

Bring Back V10's...

[bluechris]

After all, the Ferrari was THE fastest car at the start of the 2022 regulations for crying out loud. Instead of extending that lead as you would expect, they now find themselves in a position of needing to "catch up", but that's NOT the sporting regulations fault!

You really watch F1? Who crippled Ferrari in 2022? A rule change after Toto's pressure destroyed them.
This is a fact.

[Seanspeed]

Ban Adrian Newey.

Short of that, there's heavy pros/cons to pretty much any suggestion.

[De Wet]

After all, the Ferrari was THE fastest car at the start of the 2022 regulations for crying out loud. Instead of extending that lead as you would expect, they now find themselves in a position of needing to "catch up", but that's NOT the sporting regulations fault!

You really watch F1? Who crippled Ferrari in 2022? A rule change after Toto's pressure destroyed them.
This is a fact.

[Il Leone]

The question is, have these regulations really brought better racing, not at all IMO. The cars don't look any easier to follow than the 2017-2021 cars.

[f1isgood]

The question is, have these regulations really brought better racing, not at all IMO. The cars don't look any easier to follow than the 2017-2021 cars.

They are definitely much more easier to follow in high speed corners. Not sure what races you followed back then, but the situation is much much better. 2017 to 2021 never produced a race like Jeddah 2022. Nor a race like Hungary 2022 where you can win from 10th on pure pace.

[Il Leone]

The question is, have these regulations really brought better racing, not at all IMO. The cars don't look any easier to follow than the 2017-2021 cars.

They are definitely much more easier to follow in high speed corners. Not sure what races you followed back then, but the situation is much much better. 2017 to 2021 never produced a race like Jeddah 2022. Nor a race like Hungary 2022 where you can win from 10th on pure pace.

You must be watching F1 with different tinted glasses then everyone else, they are no better at following than the past cars.

I take it you didn't watch Hungary 2021? Hamilton would have won the race had Alonso not defended like a lion.

[f1isgood]

The question is, have these regulations really brought better racing, not at all IMO. The cars don't look any easier to follow than the 2017-2021 cars.

They are definitely much more easier to follow in high speed corners. Not sure what races you followed back then, but the situation is much much better. 2017 to 2021 never produced a race like Jeddah 2022. Nor a race like Hungary 2022 where you can win from 10th on pure pace.

You must be watching F1 with different tinted glasses then everyone else, they are no better at following than the past cars.

I take it you didn't watch Hungary 2021? Hamilton would have won the race had Alonso not defended like a lion.

Thanks for bringing it up, although that isn't even a good example for following through high speed sections. In 2021 Hamilton had a multiple second pace advantage thanks to fresher tires, and yet couldn't pass Alonso easily, in part because of good defensive driving and also in part because Hamilton was indecisive to get it done and move on. Just like how he couldn't pass Perez the same year in Turkey because he was indecisive. In 2022 when Verstappen won, he didn't have anywhere near that pace advantage yet comfortably passed cars because he could easily follow them (and didn't require a massive pace delta).

I don't think I am the one with the rose tinted glasses. You fundamentally don't bring up any point that shows how following has changed between the eras especially through high speed sections. 2022 had plenty of races where cars were following closely for elongated periods of time -- France, GBR, Jeddah, Bahrain to name a few before the TD nerfed Ferrari.

Of course if you add more Donwforce there'll be more issues following but to compare it pre 2022 is just wrong.

[Il Leone]

They are definitely much more easier to follow in high speed corners. Not sure what races you followed back then, but the situation is much much better. 2017 to 2021 never produced a race like Jeddah 2022. Nor a race like Hungary 2022 where you can win from 10th on pure pace.

You must be watching F1 with different tinted glasses then everyone else, they are no better at following than the past cars.

I take it you didn't watch Hungary 2021? Hamilton would have won the race had Alonso not defended like a lion.

Thanks for bringing it up, although that isn't even a good example for following through high speed sections. In 2021 Hamilton had a multiple second pace advantage thanks to fresher tires, and yet couldn't pass Alonso easily, in part because of good defensive driving and also in part because Hamilton was indecisive to get it done and move on. Just like how he couldn't pass Perez the same year in Turkey because he was indecisive. In 2022 when Verstappen won, he didn't have anywhere near that pace advantage yet comfortably passed cars because he could easily follow them (and didn't require a massive pace delta).

I don't think I am the one with the rose tinted glasses. You fundamentally don't bring up any point that shows how following has changed between the eras especially through high speed sections. 2022 had plenty of races where cars were following closely for elongated periods of time -- France, GBR, Jeddah, Bahrain to name a few before the TD nerfed Ferrari.

Of course if you add more Donwforce there'll be more issues following but to compare it pre 2022 is just wrong.

You brought up Hungary to support your own idea.

Max didn't have the pace advantage yet won from so far back, how do you work that one out?

I could post plenty of races pre-2022 where cars could follow, Jeddah 2021 being one, a race where Lewis was closing in on Max little by little, it gave us one of the most nail biting races in history.