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horse wrote:But they're journos, Fil, not competitors. The article is not a sporting thing to print. F1 isn't boxing. It wouldn't be in this weird, 'we're saying this, but actually we're not' way either.Fil wrote:What is so contentious about these observations?
Would there have been such an uproar if these observations were made by James Allen, Joe Saward, or Jonathon Noble for example?
Ok, thanks guys! My questions have been answered.WhiteBlue wrote:What people hold against them is their ignorance and arrogance.
Ignorance: [explanation nothing to do with the topic's editorial]
Arrogance: [explanation nothing to do with the topic's editorial]
No.Fil wrote:Would there have been such an uproar if these observations were made by James Allen, Joe Saward, or Jonathon Noble for example?
I think LucaM and all Ferrari staff and drivers should be allowed to yawn more often and consume more oxygen when they do so than other teams' members as Ferrari is the most important team in F1. Also, Hamilton can't drive, Alonso is the best driver in the universe ever, Massa has become a diabetic after his accident because he suffered internal haemorrhage in the brain cells that control appetite, Schumi and Villeneuve are secret lovers and Trulli's wines are really good.Pandamasque wrote:No.Fil wrote:Would there have been such an uproar if these observations were made by James Allen, Joe Saward, or Jonathon Noble for example?
Some people get extremely hot under their collars every single time LucaM (or anyone else at Ferrari) opens his mouth even when one does so just to yawn. I think it has something to do with ignorance and arrogance, and blind hatred too.
I was kind of referring to Montezemolo!jddh1 wrote:So we think Kimi is stupid?mx_tifosi wrote:I for one feel embarrassed to see this from Ferrari. Why can't they just keep to themselves and stop being so outspoken? They should speak out when they have to, especially Montezemolo.
There's a saying that goes something like this: "Its better to let people think you're stupid than to open your mouth and prove them correct."
come on, let's get a little life in this championship.
Frankly Fil, this quote below is close to slander, which is all cleverly avoided by not naming writer or recipient:Fil wrote:the outrage is not due to the content
It's also pretty rude to call a potential competitor a vulture for rescuing the remains of another big manufacturer pulling out. This isn't the politest thing I've ever read either:"Next, we have the Serbian vultures," continued the column. "Firstly, they launched themselves into a quixotic legal battle with the FIA, then they picked the bones of Toyota on its death bed.
I've never heard a team asking to be held up by back markers quite as much as Ferarri just have.two teams will limp into the start of the championship
Point taken. Everyone reads into things differently i guess. at least you pointed out what you thought was unacceptable.horse wrote:So, yeah, I'd say i have issues with content, also. Just to be clear.
Gyro, what is it you find idiotic in this editorial by Ferrari?autogyro wrote:I found the latest idiotic mouthings of Montezemola to be totaly unnaceptable.
It was Fota set up by him and that criminal Briatore that has put back sensible development work on new alternate technology for road vehicles by at least five years.
All the big car manufacturer teams that have left F1 have stated on the record, that they left because of financial reasons, so Montezemola is not even telling the truth.
Ferrari made a hash of their car last year and all this is typical Ferrari sour grapes.
Did they?mx_tifosi wrote:In these time when the team has messed up like they did in 2009
I don't think the Horse Whisperer is calling Stefan GP a vulture por picking up the remains of Toyota. If you look at it, Stefan GP are vigilant, having seen that two of the new teams are ill, and waiting for one of the new entries to fail and be thrown away by FIA in order to jump into the vacant entry. That behaviour is akin to a vulture describing a constant pattern in the air, several hundred meters above an ailing gnu, and looking forward to eating its meat as soon as the gnu falls dead.horse wrote:It's also pretty rude to call a potential competitor a vulture for rescuing the remains of another big manufacturer pulling out. This isn't the politest thing I've ever read either:"Next, we have the Serbian vultures," continued the column. "Firstly, they launched themselves into a quixotic legal battle with the FIA, then they picked the bones of Toyota on its death bed.
Oh, no, it's not your fault. This thread is based on current news, it's proper and adequate to bring it to this forum, you don't have to apologize, please.horse wrote:Sorry, hands up, stupid thread, my fault. [-X
Ciro Pabón wrote:No.WhiteBlue wrote:please delete
Branson confirms what was pretty obvious in the meantime. Ferrari/FOTA delayed the budget/resource cap by their politicking. It is obvious that F1 needs new teams. And it is clear that the new teams are now competing on much harder rules. The established teams can practically use unlimited accumulated wealth on top of having hugely bigger resources and experience. One should keep that in mind and take Ferrari's politicking for what it is. Selfish tweaking of the rules against the common good of F1.Richard Branson wrote:Q. The Virgin brand is very strong and known for hard work but also fun. How much will that live on in Formula 1?
RB: I don't think we would have got involved if we didn't think we could do that. There is a fun group of people working together to create a great new team and a great new car. I think they have already proved the sceptics wrong, to show that a car can be produced within a budget – a very, very reasonable budget – and it is a very good quality car. This is just the beginning.
Every other car that is on the grid has had literally years and years of input to get a car to that stage. This car has had just over six months input to get to this stage – with no advantages whatsoever. And I think we are going to have a lot of fun proving that it can be done within that kind of budget.
I think it will be interesting – and will show the other F1 teams that they could reduce their budgets to the £40 million cap that was planned for this year but has been delayed. And have just as much fun – you don't need to spend hundreds of millions to have fun. You can do it within a cap of 40 million and people can have just as much fun – and it will be just as exciting out there on the grid.
Q. Speaking of fun, there has been a little bit of a war of words between you and Tony Fernandes. Have you got your air stewardess' outfit ready?
RB: I am going to measure him up today to make sure we get the most fetching outfit for him!
Q. What was your reaction when you see statements like the one from Ferrari belittling the new teams coming into F1?
RB: I think that it is a bit sad to see Ferrari carrying on with those kinds of words. F1 needs new teams, and Ferrari won the battle of making sure the new teams were shackled. For testing, we built a new car and we are going to have to have exactly the same amount of practice time as Brawn or Ferrari or the others, who have had years and years and years to get their cars to a certain stage. We are not complaining about it, and we are happy to go on with it, but Ferrari should be welcoming new teams because they make the sport much more exciting.
And we will make them look better for a year or two until we catch them up. Ultimately, I think the new teams will give Ferrari a run for their money and I think will make the sport more exciting – particularly as the budgets come down to more realistic levels.
