NORMAN FISHER wrote:Since its incorporation, Petronas has grown to be an integrated international oil and gas company with business interests in countries. As of the end of March the Petronas Group comprised wholly owned subsidiaries,
I was told by a journalist who works in F1 that Petronas is now associated to a British company called PetroScience which is the actual Mercedes supplier.
is there any chance to see PDVSA supplying fuel and lubes to Williams? I guess the answer is NO, unless they use the same company is producing Petronas fuel to Mercedes...
Racer-X wrote:is there any chance to see PDVSA supplying fuel and lubes to Williams? I guess the answer is NO, unless they use the same company is producing Petronas fuel to Mercedes...
PDVSA has no marketing benifit from making racing fuel for 1 or 2 teams.
Racer-X wrote:is there any chance to see PDVSA supplying fuel and lubes to Williams? I guess the answer is NO, unless they use the same company is producing Petronas fuel to Mercedes...
PDVSA has no marketing benifit from making racing fuel for 1 or 2 teams.
Does Mercedes use Petronas? I highly doubt it.
No, Mercedes doesn't use Petronas fuel. Infact all Mercedes engines use the same ExxonMobil fuel and lubricants.
Racer-X wrote:is there any chance to see PDVSA supplying fuel and lubes to Williams? I guess the answer is NO, unless they use the same company is producing Petronas fuel to Mercedes...
PDVSA has no marketing benifit from making racing fuel for 1 or 2 teams.
Does Mercedes use Petronas? I highly doubt it.
No, Mercedes doesn't use Petronas fuel. Infact all Mercedes engines use the same ExxonMobil fuel and lubricants.
Strange.....
I have a friend who is in Valencia for the tests and he said he had seen some blank fuel drums being handled inside the Mercedes garage.
Hamilton was running with last years`s car and using ExxonMobil fuel drums....
Very strange....
Racer-X wrote:
Strange.....
I have a friend who is in Valencia for the tests and he said he had seen some blank fuel drums being handled inside the Mercedes garage.
Hamilton was running with last years`s car and using ExxonMobil fuel drums....
Very strange....
Not very strange at all, but a long known practice in motorsports.
MBHPE have confirmed that all their engines use the same fuel and oil from ExxonMobil regardless what team they are supplied to. The fuel and oil are developed specifically for the Mercedes engine and every year they test a few new fuel and lubricant formulations for better performance, improved reliability and so on. If a Mercedes powered team isn't sponsored by ExxonMobil they can use non branded fuel/lubricants equipment, or equipment branded with their own sponsor. But the fuel and engine oil in it is the same stuff from ExxonMobil.
ExxonMobil's partnership with Mercedez Benz' extends to the initial factory fill of engine oil, gasoline/diesel, lubricants and fluids to all passenger and commercial MB engines. It is not limited to F1 racing alone.
Aldrich wrote:Hi,
Mercedes have a contract with ExxonMobil to use its fuel in F1 races.
What about the Others?
Thanks
PETRONAS has confirmed MERCEDES is using its fuel in F1. Too many strange things behind the stage...
Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines which make the Mercedes F1 engine are working closely with ExxonMobil and develop the fuel and lubricants specifically for this engine. The engine is only availible in one specification, including fuel and lubricant, and supplied to all teams using this engine.
Aldrich wrote:Hi,
Mercedes have a contract with ExxonMobil to use its fuel in F1 races.
What about the Others?
Thanks
PETRONAS has confirmed MERCEDES is using its fuel in F1. Too many strange things behind the stage...
Mercedes-Benz High Performance Engines which make the Mercedes F1 engine are working closely with ExxonMobil and develop the fuel and lubricants specifically for this engine. The engine is only availible in one specification, including fuel and lubricant, and supplied to all teams using this engine.
It ios unbeliveable Petronas is suggesting to the general public Mercedes is using their products.... they are pretending they have the technology but it is only business!!!
Yes indeed Shell does own the Pennzoil and Quaker State Brands. Because the Pennzoil and Quaker State Brands have more equity in North America, you will see Ferrari associated with these brands in North America rather than the more globally recognized Shell Helix Brand of lubricants. In order to be used in some manufacturers' cars, oil formulations have to be factory approved. Ferrari road cars are only supposed to use Ferrari approved oils. So there are both marketing perception benefits, but also and sometimes of greater significance may be the commercial association particularly if anything nearing exclusivity is available. At one time is was Porsche/Shell, and Ferrari/AGIP. Now it is Ferrari/Shell, and Porsche/Mobil and Mercedes/Mobil on a commercial basis. In some countries, however factory exclusive recommendation can sometimes be considered approaching monopolistic restraint of trade and therefore oils are mostly recommended on the basis of a set of specifications, as defined by such industry organizations as API and ILSAC. This does not preclude manufacturers from requiring their own specifications which any oil company could aspire too, but not necessarily easily achieve. And, while a manufacturer may recommend a specific brand that does not mean that approvals for other alternative brands do not exist, they may just not be a primary recommendation.
F1 seems to be more about commercial marketing communication. Enhancing perception of technical prowess is probably best achieved via mutually beneficial technical partnerships as noted above. Oil companies can demonstrate their technical prowess by racing their commercially available products, or they can race their expertise. F1 is now so specialized that it is probably almost exclusively about "expertise" from and oil company perspective.
The goal and the attraction of F1 for relative newcomers such as Petronas is probably to elevate their market perception and I would think eventually evolve both their commercial approvals and technical expertise by association with F1. Gaining commercial approval with manufacturers so their products get sanctioned credibility for road cars where official approval may be critical would be an important commercial benefit. Technical partnership in this case may be lower on the list, however progress on anyone of these could eventually lead to achieving the others.
