Alonso says race 'manipulated' (He isn't angry any more)

[timbo]

drive through is a standard now, when was the last time someone got Stop and Go on track??
2000? 2001?
i dont think its a black flag infringement....its not that worse

It goes against safety.
Generally it is regarded as serious.

[doopie2you]

LH should have been black-flagged.

Next race everybody overtakes the SC if he can win some time or position although getting punished with a drive-thru...

That is B*llsh*t! it just worked out for Lewis now! because Koba held up everybody so Lewis could push like crazy for good time! Just like it worked out great for Webber last year at Germany!


So only if NEXT race some car is holding up everybody and the car in front of that must stop for a SC then YES he could overtake it to win time MAYBE!

But don't you think the FIA is happy now? next time you WILL get stop and go penalty

[Avto]

I think Charlie Whiting and FIA are playing a dangerous game with Ferrari and Mercedes. And I don’t think this is such a good idea, sure there is an agreement, but I very much doubt it says: you will get screwed every time we deem necessary and you will do nothing about it.

[ISLAMATRON]

If anyone knows about manipulating a race it sure would be Alonso

The SWG makes the rules, the teams make up the SWG, blame any problemin the rules on the teams, except for the slow enforcement of the rules that is the FIA fault... but nobody seemed to mind when it gifted 2nd place to Rosberg in singapore 2008... hmmm I wonder who manipulated that race.

LH passed the SC before the "SC line" and then fell back again... it was really strange...maybe he wasnt sure if the SC was going to pull in fromnt of him... I dont know what the hell happened but this kind of stuff happens to McLaren way too often, they need to throw some of these random situations into their simulator so they can get more practice with them.

[ringo]

Personally, although Hamilton has done some risque stuff this season I don't know what he could have done there.

He could drive at speed into a crowd of medical staff and marshals extracting a driver out of a wrecked car. Is that bad enough for you?

Some people forget that SC is there not to create more close racing opportunities, but to bring safety by slowing cars down.

At the end of the start finish line?

I think you people are getting out of hand with this Hamilton penalty. Every race hamilton is to be blamed Why?
Why not blame webber for messing it up for everyone.

Hamilton was off by 2.5m there was no safety risk there. If anything Vettel was a bigger safety risk for being so far ahead.

He did his penalty, and that's that, he was fast enough to avoid dropping back. Subsequently he lost a possible 1rst place; that is punishment enough.

Why is no one complaining about the other 9 cars who only got 5 seconds, which isn't even in the rule book?
Alonso just feels bad the championship is running away from him, worse the driver who he dislikes the most is making it look easy.

[ringo]

If anyone knows about manipulating a race it sure would be Alonso

The SWG makes the rules, the teams make up the SWG, blame any problemin the rules on the teams, except for the slow enforcement of the rules that is the FIA fault... but nobody seemed to mind when it gifted 2nd place to Rosberg in singapore 2008... hmmm I wonder who manipulated that race.

LH passed the SC before the "SC line" and then fell back again... it was really strange...maybe he wasnt sure if the SC was going to pull in fromnt of him... I dont know what the hell happened but this kind of stuff happens to McLaren way too often, they need to throw some of these random situations into their simulator so they can get more practice with them.

But it's still a harmless move that he made. It wouldn't make a difference to Alonso's race. All that would have happened is that Hamilton would school him again.

Alonso stands to gain more fussing over the other 9 cars in a clearer breach of the rules, but no he chooses to hold back Hamilton. He knows hamilton is the man to watch.
I hope he gets his butt kicked by Kobayashi in silverstone again.

[ISLAMATRON]

alonso didnt know about the other 9 cars, they were all behind him, Hamilton was right ahead an he saw that transgression.

LH should have known the(stupid) rule and blasted past the SC(endagering whoever) leaving Alonso behind him and the SC... but LH was tentative because it seems neither him nor McL know the rules... or maybe he really couldnt see as he claims.

The SC should have picked up SV or waived everyone by until the leader came by again. F1's refusal to look towards american racing and its mastery of yelloew falg procedures strikes again.

[timbo]

The SC should have picked up SV or waived everyone by until the leader came by again. F1's refusal to look towards american racing and its mastery of yelloew falg procedures strikes again.

That is a good point.
There's definitely a thing or two to be learned from NASCAR.

[vall]

LH passed the SC before the "SC line" and then fell back again... it was really strange...maybe he wasnt sure if the SC was going to pull in fromnt of him... I dont know what the hell happened but this kind of stuff happens to McLaren way too often, they need to throw some of these random situations into their simulator so they can get more practice with them.

you are wrong on that. He passed the SC after the SC line, watch the video again. And from the on-board camera it is quite clear he must have seen the yellow lights. So, it was deliberate action with the sole purpose to gain illegal advantage. Yet, he got the lightest possible punishment.

Also, the other penalized cars got penalties that are not foreseen in the regulations...

[vall]

alonso didnt know about the other 9 cars, they were all behind him, Hamilton was right ahead an he saw that transgression.

LH should have known the(stupid) rule and blasted past the SC(endagering whoever) leaving Alonso behind him and the SC... but LH was tentative because it seems neither him nor McL know the rules... or maybe he really couldnt see as he claims.

I would not call the rule not to overtake the SC stupid! It is there for safety reasons and overtaking illegally it is a very serious breach of the regulations.

And yes, from the on-board shots it is clear LH saw the yellow lights of the SC.

[ISLAMATRON]

LH passed the SC before the "SC line" and then fell back again... it was really strange...maybe he wasnt sure if the SC was going to pull in fromnt of him... I dont know what the hell happened but this kind of stuff happens to McLaren way too often, they need to throw some of these random situations into their simulator so they can get more practice with them.

you are wrong on that. He passed the SC after the SC line, watch the video again. And from the on-board camera it is quite clear he must have seen the yellow lights. So, it was deliberate action with the sole purpose to gain illegal advantage. Yet, he got the lightest possible punishment.

Also, the other penalized cars got penalties that are not foreseen in the regulations...

I am not wrong, LH passed the SC before the SC line, braked, allowing the SC pass, and then passed the SC again, this time after the SC line. I dont know his reasoning unlike you who know exactly what was going on in his head.

He was given a drive thru, not close to being the lightest punishment, the lightest punishment would be what alonso got for helping to fix singapore 2008, or even a repremand. LH got drive thru that for 2 reasons did not cost him a position, 1 his speed & 2 Kobay's ability to keep a worthless Button behind him in a much slower car.

And please understand that the onboard camara is over a foot higher than the driver's head, not everything you see onboard can be seen by the driver.

[timbo]

LH got drive thru that for 2 reasons did not cost him a position, 1 his speed & 2 Kobay's ability to keep a worthless Button behind him in a much slower car.

Those are "secondary" reasons. The "primary" one is that he received his penalty much later than he should.

[Pandamasque]

Personally, although Hamilton has done some risque stuff this season I don't know what he could have done there.

He could drive at speed into a crowd of medical staff and marshals extracting a driver out of a wrecked car. Is that bad enough for you?

Some people forget that SC is there not to create more close racing opportunities, but to bring safety by slowing cars down.

At the end of the start finish line?

I think you people are getting out of hand.... [snip]

At the whole lap of blind corners with caution but no SC ahead. Are you suggesting that LH stopped after the T1 and let the SC by?

[ISLAMATRON]

LH got drive thru that for 2 reasons did not cost him a position, 1 his speed & 2 Kobay's ability to keep a worthless Button behind him in a much slower car.

Those are "secondary" reasons. The "primary" one is that he received his penalty much later than he should.

No later than when Roberg got his in Singapore 08... and earlier than the other 9 drivers penalised today

[ringo]

The lights on the car aren't the issue, the issue is the line that he missed by 2.5m and that the nose of the safety car made it there first.

If he was ahead of that line before the SC, he would be legal.

Him beating the SC legally does not change the safety risk does it?

This ruling is just a technicality that doesn't change the safety one bit. By the logic that is put forth, Vettel would be a huge safety risk for being 2s ahead of hamilton, which is way ahead of the SC.