Similarly, you could say that since Kubica lost out to Heidfeld 2:1 in their time together, he would be where Heidfeld is, or a bit behind him. I'm 80% joking.Pandamasque wrote:As for Petrov, the difference between him and Kubica seems to be that Kubica would do just as well if not better in each and every race. I don't think Petrov will.
Well, xDama, good point. However (and I don't know about current mods), I have never required threads to be smart or even useful. Useful is a vaccine against yellow fever but, let's face it, most threads will not make this a better world. They will entertain a few of us, period. Those that don't entertain me, I avoid.xDama wrote:Still no lock on this useless thread?
Maybe we could ask the question where Raikkonen would have finished? Or maybe even Hakkinen?
Hell, why not wonder what Senna would've done?
Well if other drivers are just as good without the crazy activities, then he's not naturally talented enough.Pandamasque wrote:You are effectively saying that risky activities like racing don't pay off in the long run for racing drivers. Well that's their job and a way of life. Who knows if Kubica would be half as good if he wouldn't be who he is?ringo wrote:Reality is starting to hit home that risky activities like rallying don't pay off in the long run for F1 pilots.
As for Petrov, the difference between him and Kubica seems to be that Kubica would do just as well if not better in each and every race. I don't think Petrov will.
As you can assume!bgroovers wrote:Im sorry but i dont feel this is a useless thread. The question i raised is trying to look at subjectively where renault car is relative to the others taking into account that Petrov was no where near Kubica last year. Granted he was a rookie and a clear number two within the team but this does not mean that in 2011 without Robert in the other car that he is extracting 100% as we can assume Robert would have managed. Nick Heidfeld totally messed up qualifying and the race so we cannot gauge petrov against him and even then its generally acknowledged that Kubica is one of the best in the world pre accident.
I am amazed that anyone can suddenly believe that Petrov is now some kind of wonderkid and not that potentially the r31 is one of the best cars on the grid not 4th best. The R31 is a revolutionary car with its FFE. I am not speculating on some speariouse subject such as Senna or Kimi. Robert was signed to drive this car and may well have been a title contender.
Do people really believe that a driver gets number one status in a team because its in there contract. No a driver is no 1 because he is faster. Period. If Massa was faster than Alonso he would be no 1. He is not so hes no 2. No driver in the pit lane is given number 2 status without being slower than there team mate over any given period of time.
You obviously did'nt see Vitaly Petrov's qualifying in Melbourne. He made two misstakes, which the team reckons cost him 0.4 seconds. So no, he did not do the maximum. He won beacuse of a great strategy and consistent driving. Nick Heidfeldt did not have a clean lap in qualifying and then he got hit in the begining of the race, great comparison! Look at Sepang, do I have to say more? About last year, two races out of nineteen(do you really think this is beacuse Vitaly Petrov was suddently better), Robert Kubica was doing all the testing, Vitaly had only to focus on qualifying. Not all circuits were new to him and in South Korea there was no difference! Then you finish it of with speculation about competitivness between team mates... who knows? Your arguments(to be kind) are beyond my comprehension.ringo wrote:Robert would not have finished any better. Look at the gap between Petrov and Hamilton.
Petrov is the new #1 now. He is doing the maximum so far.
As it relates to Robert vs petrov pace. Petrov was a rookie last year, so it's not really convincing to use qualifying gaps from last year to give Robert a false sense of superiority.
Petrov did beat him twice last year. That shows Petrov is probably just as fast, but only need some confidence and experience to put his races together.
Kubica never had a fast teammate to prove he is one of the fastest, he's probably lucky he's out for 2011. He narrowly dodged Petrov opening up a can of whoopass on him today.
