2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

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Xyz22 wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 09:23
It’s absolutely crazy that the brakes failed during the SC. Leclerc said 3 out of 4 brakes didn’t work as expected, with the rear ones not braking at all. Could have been extremely dangerous in a different situation.

Maybe these issues started in Canada only because it was the first real stop and go track of the season where you need to really stress the brakes. Hopefully the solution (whatever it is) for Spain will work.
Typical Ferrari. A competent team would have found a way to fix the brakes between Friday and Saturday in Canada. But they chose ruin two race weekends for Leclerc...

Also, before the accident the team robbed Lelcerc of his position and gave it to Hamilton. Leclerc wanted to stay out, but they called him in anyway. The same sort of internal sabotage they did when they took away his victory and gave it Sainz in Silverstone a few years back.

What an utterly foolish decision from him to renew the contract for another four years.

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It sounds like Leclerc can no longer drive at the limit, at least not with any sort of consistency or without taking a huge risk.

Whatever they did to the car, it's not working for him.

While this is great news for Hamilton, it's very bad news for the team overall, so hopefully they can "fix" it

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mzso wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 21:29
Xyz22 wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 09:23
It’s absolutely crazy that the brakes failed during the SC. Leclerc said 3 out of 4 brakes didn’t work as expected, with the rear ones not braking at all. Could have been extremely dangerous in a different situation.

Maybe these issues started in Canada only because it was the first real stop and go track of the season where you need to really stress the brakes. Hopefully the solution (whatever it is) for Spain will work.
Typical Ferrari. A competent team would have found a way to fix the brakes between Friday and Saturday in Canada. But they chose ruin two race weekends for Leclerc...

Also, before the accident the team robbed Lelcerc of his position and gave it to Hamilton. Leclerc wanted to stay out, but they called him in anyway. The same sort of internal sabotage they did when they took away his victory and gave it Sainz in Silverstone a few years back.

What an utterly foolish decision from him to renew the contract for another four years.
The brake issue fix was available. Leclerc chose not to change to the different specification discs. That's on him.

Which means his inability to outqualify Hamilton in Monaco is on him. And thus his position on track.

Tell us, if it were the other way round, and they had "messed up" Hamilton by pitting him behind Leclerc in the same way as Sunday, would you be decrying the team then? Or is it just that you like Leclerc?

And ultimately, Leclerc could have stayed out if he had wanted to. Only the driver steers the car in to the pitlane.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 22:13
mzso wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 21:29
Xyz22 wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 09:23
It’s absolutely crazy that the brakes failed during the SC. Leclerc said 3 out of 4 brakes didn’t work as expected, with the rear ones not braking at all. Could have been extremely dangerous in a different situation.

Maybe these issues started in Canada only because it was the first real stop and go track of the season where you need to really stress the brakes. Hopefully the solution (whatever it is) for Spain will work.
Typical Ferrari. A competent team would have found a way to fix the brakes between Friday and Saturday in Canada. But they chose ruin two race weekends for Leclerc...

Also, before the accident the team robbed Lelcerc of his position and gave it to Hamilton. Leclerc wanted to stay out, but they called him in anyway. The same sort of internal sabotage they did when they took away his victory and gave it Sainz in Silverstone a few years back.

What an utterly foolish decision from him to renew the contract for another four years.
The brake issue fix was available. Leclerc chose not to change to the different specification discs. That's on him.

Which means his inability to outqualify Hamilton in Monaco is on him. And thus his position on track.

Tell us, if it were the other way round, and they had "messed up" Hamilton by pitting him behind Leclerc in the same way as Sunday, would you be decrying the team then? Or is it just that you like Leclerc?

And ultimately, Leclerc could have stayed out if he had wanted to. Only the driver steers the car in to the pitlane.
That doesn't excuse the brake being defective.

My opinion of Ferrari would have been equally low. But they only every screw Leclerc (even against Sainz), so it's very much hypothetical...

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mzso wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 22:29
Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 22:13
mzso wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 21:29


Typical Ferrari. A competent team would have found a way to fix the brakes between Friday and Saturday in Canada. But they chose ruin two race weekends for Leclerc...

Also, before the accident the team robbed Lelcerc of his position and gave it to Hamilton. Leclerc wanted to stay out, but they called him in anyway. The same sort of internal sabotage they did when they took away his victory and gave it Sainz in Silverstone a few years back.

What an utterly foolish decision from him to renew the contract for another four years.
The brake issue fix was available. Leclerc chose not to change to the different specification discs. That's on him.

Which means his inability to outqualify Hamilton in Monaco is on him. And thus his position on track.

Tell us, if it were the other way round, and they had "messed up" Hamilton by pitting him behind Leclerc in the same way as Sunday, would you be decrying the team then? Or is it just that you like Leclerc?

And ultimately, Leclerc could have stayed out if he had wanted to. Only the driver steers the car in to the pitlane.
That doesn't excuse the brake being defective.

My opinion of Ferrari would have been equally low. But they only ever screw Leclerc (even against Sainz), so it's very much hypothetical...
Perhaps Ferrari could've been insistent that Leclerc adopt the path taken by Hamilton. However, that also has its potential pitfalls. Leclerc needs to develop a backbone; he's too passive for a ~12-year F1 veteran? What happened in Canada & Monaco are nothing like China 2007, where a rookie was left on bald tires on a damp track.
Leclerc is definitely talented and I want him to do well; he & Hamilton are fair operators and could push Ferrari forward. If neither of them can bag WDC, I'll take the constructors.

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At one point during the race Hamilton said to his engineer (something like) stop messing with the power mate, just leave it. I thought the days where the pit wall had telematics to the car were gone and the driver had sole control now. Did I misinterpret what was happening? or can power settings still be tweaked from the engineering station?
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dans79 wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 19:46
The fundamental issue with ADUO is the fia hasn't shared the testing process with anyone, not even the teams. So no one can prove the fia tests are stupid (they likely are, and i would bet my next paycheck on it).
They test with their onboard sensors. Fuel flow, torque sensors, air flow, water jackets, motor parameters..

I have no issues with the rule as it is consistently applied accross the board and the teams agreed to this! Some people are just bitter because the formula was less engine-dependent as they thought it would be!! (I guess 2014 fooled them into applying the same logic?) and they are even more bitter that Mercedes engine seems to now be a minor reason why they are so dominant. See McLaren, Williams and Alpine!

I wonder if these people are new to Formula 1?


Anyway. It is still more good news for Ferrari. Right away it is a call to push on the engine development, and it is a reality check that they don't have the best chassis.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 22:13
mzso wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 21:29
Xyz22 wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 09:23
It’s absolutely crazy that the brakes failed during the SC. Leclerc said 3 out of 4 brakes didn’t work as expected, with the rear ones not braking at all. Could have been extremely dangerous in a different situation.

Maybe these issues started in Canada only because it was the first real stop and go track of the season where you need to really stress the brakes. Hopefully the solution (whatever it is) for Spain will work.
Typical Ferrari. A competent team would have found a way to fix the brakes between Friday and Saturday in Canada. But they chose ruin two race weekends for Leclerc...

Also, before the accident the team robbed Lelcerc of his position and gave it to Hamilton. Leclerc wanted to stay out, but they called him in anyway. The same sort of internal sabotage they did when they took away his victory and gave it Sainz in Silverstone a few years back.

What an utterly foolish decision from him to renew the contract for another four years.
The brake issue fix was available. Leclerc chose not to change to the different specification discs. That's on him.

Which means his inability to outqualify Hamilton in Monaco is on him. And thus his position on track.

Tell us, if it were the other way round, and they had "messed up" Hamilton by pitting him behind Leclerc in the same way as Sunday, would you be decrying the team then? Or is it just that you like Leclerc?

And ultimately, Leclerc could have stayed out if he had wanted to. Only the driver steers the car in to the pitlane.
Wait hold up.

Leclerc was on his way to out-qualifying Hamilton and he hit the barriers; that had nothing to do with brakes! We can surmise they were working just dandy over the entire weekend.

When I view his on-board on F1 TV his accident does not seem to be caused by cold brakes or cold tyres. He was braking and acclerating repeatedly just fine throughout that warm up lap.

His comments after his accident seemed to point specifically to locking too hard upon application. He said he applied "only" 3 to 4 bars of pressure before the brakes caused the issue...

If we listen to the video it was clear he applied throttle before hitting the barriers. And again I rule out cold tyres and if they are cold it is on him. I suspect that was engine braking as he loves to do and the cars energy map kicked in and caused a surge - either in diff-locking the rears (the car had almost zero rotation) or litterally surging forward in torque.
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