Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[ninogenio]

first time poster here,

i have been watching this thread for some time. but have too add something too the latest topic. did anyone else notice raikkonen braked at the exact point schumacher did and managed the corner just fine. there definitly appered to be something strange on schumachers cars.

i fully belive this accident could and would have happened too anyone in that mercedes at that point in time and place.

[Dragonfly]

first time poster here,

i have been watching this thread for some time. but have too add something too the latest topic. did anyone else notice raikkonen braked at the exact point schumacher did and managed the corner just fine. there definitly appered to be something strange on schumachers cars.

i fully belive this accident could and would have happened too anyone in that mercedes at that point in time and place.

I was going to write about the same after a watched several times a clip form YouTube.
Raikkonen follows close and a bit to the inside. Had no problems to slow down, turn to avoid the crash and enter the corner.
I don't accept cold brakes, there had been several corners until that where MS tried to attack and had to brake intensively.
For me it's either a brake problem or he has stepped on the rubber marbles. The normal line into the corner is somewhat inside to where he was. But the car became unsteerable. From the above shots it is visible that there is room to turn to the right (which KR did).

[Ganxxta]

first time poster here,

i have been watching this thread for some time. but have too add something too the latest topic. did anyone else notice raikkonen braked at the exact point schumacher did and managed the corner just fine. there definitly appered to be something strange on schumachers cars.

i fully belive this accident could and would have happened too anyone in that mercedes at that point in time and place.

Yep, not only you Kimis distance was at all times exactly the same to Schumacher at this point, he braked at exactly the same point with the same speed, yet he could already turn in easily, while MSC was still as fast as him, but with both fronts locked.


Another thing is visible from the outer shots you can see right before the fronts lock up, that the rear is going away

Normally it is like that:
-Overbrake with too much rear brake bias, rear lock up, car spins directly
-Overbrake with to much front brake bias, front lock up, car goes straight

Here both happened, first the rear stepped out (to the right from drivers point of view), then the front locks completely...

My explanation would be: rear left brake failed, car goes to the right, he feels that there is something wrong and there is way less deceleration than usual, he slammed the brakes to not hit someone=front locks up completely=car goes straight again.

But anyway, FIA said its solely his fault, so be it.

[AosudiF1]

First of all, I am a Schumi fan.

Having said that, if there was really something wrong with the car, I don't think Mercedes would hold the telemetry just to not look stupid, and let FIA hand the 10-spot penalty for the Japanese GP.

On the other hand, my humble opinion is that Schumi has driven well this season, but the car broke down on him so many times, the results now show Rosberg in a much better position. I don't think there was actually such a difference, and to look at it just because of the points tally, is way too bias.

All in all, I think Mercedes is looking for something else (a younger driver, maybe Hamilton, although I would think more Di Resta), and not Schumi anymore. Schumi was great to put the team in the spotlight, and marketing-wise, is a dream. But now they need to show performance, and my guess is, they want a safer bet. Someone not so great, that will allow them to show more as a team, that as the great driver putting the car in front.

I think Schumi does not want to leave like this, but will not risk entering a negotiation, and walking without a seat. I truly think the team has the upper hand now. Schumi may not be convinced yet to continue, if next year's car is crap as this year's, but still, if he wants to continue, I don't know if he will find the room to do it anyway. I don't see any way at all in which he goes to another team either.

It is a very peculiar situation in my humble view, and my guess is Schumi wants to leave on a high, whether that be sporting-wise, or at least, having everyone under the impression he left because he had it with the aweful car.

[zyphro]

All in all, I think Mercedes is looking for something else (a younger driver, maybe Hamilton, although I would think more Di Resta), and not Schumi anymore. Schumi was great to put the team in the spotlight, and marketing-wise, is a dream. But now they need to show performance, and my guess is, they want a safer bet. Someone not so great, that will allow them to show more as a team, that as the great driver putting the car in front.

Now you see here's the problem: Nico, someone who is widely touted, is being out-performed this season thus far (points table aside). There's no real reason that suggests MSC has 'totally' lost it nor does it mean he should be pushed out for someone younger.

If this season he'd waned in his speed, I'd agree he should retire. Currently he should not, infact I'd prefer he enjoyed his final years in some real competitive machinery (as opposed to blind-hope of trundling around in the mid-field).

He appeared down throughout the Singapore GP weekend, I don't really think he enjoys going into a weekend knowing he won't be competing at the front, as the car isn't capable of it. As we all saw earlier in the season: when the car was up there he seemed extremely excited going into each weekend.

[Ganxxta]

He appeared down throughout the Singapore GP weekend, I don't really think he enjoys going into a weekend knowing he won't be competing at the front, as the car isn't capable of it. As we all saw earlier in the season: when the car was up there he seemed extremely excited going into each weekend.

Noticed that too, at the Magny Cours tests he was smiling, he saw some hope, finally updates [-o<

Then this weekend when he got to drive the car, he wasn't smiling anymore, the updates were again not really worth mentioning, I think now he finally realized that he won't be able to be at the front with this team any time soon...

[schumifan]

yeah - i am at the stage where i realise that he has a year or two left at the most and if a seat was available for him at ferrari he should just jump at it - even playing second fiddle to alonso would mean little as everyone knows he is not the mighty 27 year old schumacher - he is the older wiser slightly slower one, who flashes glimpses of his former self every now and then.

we are supposed to know on wednesday? is this just through eddie jordan words that we expect news though or is there something in this wednesday thing? - did schumacher not say october, which would be at least this day next week?

[marcush.]

Quite interesting situation now with Schumacher .ANY other pilot would just outright flame and grill his team now.and those morons are just leaving him in the cold hoping for Hamilton .
I´d love to see Lewis go there and waste two years..(not for lewis , mislead by management,poor guy) but I´d love to see schumi leave this team as soon as possible
That will be the moment when i´m not interested anymore .

[snoop1050]

yea i'd be happy if he left merc let some other mug join them....

schumacher would be much better of at sauber or some other mid field team rather than a mid field merc, atleast elsewhere he would have less failures and a team that apear to want him

I just pray he doesnt take on an ambassador role for merc they dont deserve him in any role

[schumifan]

yea i'd be happy if he left merc let some other mug join them....

schumacher would be much better of at sauber or some other mid field team rather than a mid field merc, atleast elsewhere he would have less failures and a team that apear to want him

I just pray he doesnt take on an ambassador role for merc they dont deserve him in any role

agree to all of this - he will come back steaming in suzuka

[MSC07-JCGX]

Just a thought on mercedes rear tyre degradation, i think its a dna related to mercedes, f1 rear tyre deg for 3 years and manufactured cars too, top gears proven it, in botswana the merc is digging is back tyres into the salt flats, jeremy clarkson driving the sls in america rear tyres destroyed and when he drives the dtm c class again tyres destroyed

i seriously hope he stays on til 2014 at least, mercedes owe him!

[zyphro]

I just pray he doesnt take on an ambassador role for merc they dont deserve him in any role

I agree.

I see Schumacher as a professional - the team appear to be anything but that (sad but true). The two do not fit.

[FoxHound]

yea i'd be happy if he left merc let some other mug join them....

schumacher would be much better of at sauber or some other mid field team rather than a mid field merc, atleast elsewhere he would have less failures and a team that apear to want him

I just pray he doesnt take on an ambassador role for merc they dont deserve him in any role

You do realise Schumacher eats, drinks, shits and farts like the test of us don't you?
I cannot understand your point of view. You want him to ditch Mercedes, and go to Sauber? After all that has been discussed here, you think Schumacher will jump ship after the factory metamorphosis and upgrades are complete, for a team that has been nowhere and lucked into being good on its pirellis in 2012? Remind me, where are Sauber this year in the wcc, and in 2011, and in 2010, please?
I'm of the opinion that if you had your way, and he went to Sauber, you would be posting derogatory remarks about the Sauber team and how they don't deserve such a god like driver.
I also personally feel, you need to stop the blame game. It seems you cannot accept Schumacher makes mistakes.

[snoop1050]

schumacher has made half the mistakes the team has this year at best..

it seems the teams forget this aswell as the casual viewers.

next time michael has a failure he should ask "what happened there , what happened there" in a childish voice

atleast sauber can put a car together properly they just lack experienced drivers

[FoxHound]

You seem to think Mercedes are the only team capable of making mistakes.
Have you actually been watching this season?