Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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FoxHound wrote: It seems you cannot accept Schumacher makes mistakes.
Everyone can accept that, however, the fact that the team made several mistakes (far too many when the car was up there) this year and couple that with the 'cheeky' tone the RE spoke in: you shouldn't be surprised to see such outrage amongst fans.

Lack of unprofessionalism, he being the team-player earlier in the season has had an opposite effect methinks.

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snoop1050 wrote:schumacher has made half the mistakes the team has this year at best..

it seems the teams forget this aswell as the casual viewers.

next time michael has a failure he should ask "what happened there , what happened there" in a childish voice

atleast sauber can put a car together properly they just lack experienced drivers
That would be more amusing then seeing him win a race after 6 years. +1
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Schumacher is a diminishing asset that is still making rookie mistakes despite his experience. :evil: This should be his last season. If he isn't screwing up, the team is screwing up. #-o He hasn't brought home the points consistently. The team needs stability and a clean path to the future with a couple of young and hungry talents behind the wheel. [-o<

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ahmedvortex wrote:
Pierce89 wrote:
ahmedvortex wrote: 3 . Vergne ( havenopoor 2012 ) , rear brake problem in fp 2 and fp3 , for Schumacher ,knowing his team members ability to solve problems :| ., he was forced to lie ( like with previous big teams ) , he cant say i crashed my Mercedes amg , cause braking problem .
I'm a big Shumi fan too, but he did blame it on a mechanical problem(implied).


He was forced to lie to FIA , motorsport.nextgen-auto?com/Michael-Schumacher-issued-10-place-grid-penalty-for-Japanese-GP,49259.html
How did you come to that conclusion? Shumi made a mistake because he was overdriving a shitty car. The later claim about investigating the reason sounded like an excuse. So what? He has a viable excuse(a shitty car). Saying the team forced him to lie is a little too conspiratorial for me.
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Rosberg seemed to handle the car alright.
JET set

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OppositeLock wrote:Schumacher is a diminishing asset that is still making rookie mistakes despite his experience. :evil: This should be his last season. If he isn't screwing up, the team is screwing up. #-o He hasn't brought home the points consistently. The team needs stability and a clean path to the future with a couple of young and hungry talents behind the wheel. [-o<
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Edited an image from f1fanatic the other week for another forum that wanted to call for schumachers retirement based on rosberg dominating him (the original source for the image and more statistics for the pairing are available here http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/statistics/2 ... chumacher/ )


when both cars finished the race who finished higher and more conistently?

now lets take into acount the majority of those non finishs for msc are the teams fault-mechanical error

seems hes pretty consistent to me, consistently 3 places higher than rosberg given a car that can last a race...

and yet people like that minardi idiot think the team should have 2 rosbergs? :lol:

get rid of them both if they get rid of msc based on performance and get 2 drivers who are at a skill level between msc and rosberg.

we all know over driving a car leads to errors look at hamiltons season when he had a poop box of a car almost every race a crash/collision with someone
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snoop1050 wrote:
OppositeLock wrote:Schumacher is a diminishing asset that is still making rookie mistakes despite his experience. :evil: This should be his last season. If he isn't screwing up, the team is screwing up. #-o He hasn't brought home the points consistently. The team needs stability and a clean path to the future with a couple of young and hungry talents behind the wheel. [-o<
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made this before the weekend for another forum
when both cars finished the race who finished higher and more conistently?

now lets take into acount the majority of those non finishs for msc are the teams fault-mechanical error

seems hes pretty consistent to me, consistently 3 places higher than rosberg given a car that can last a race...

and yet people like that minardi idiot think the team should have 2 rosbergs? :lol:

get rid of them both if they get rid of msc based on performance and get 2 drivers who are at a skill level between msc and rosberg.

we all know over driving a car leads to errors look at hamiltons season when he had a poop box of a car almost every race a crash/collision with someone
very very good - i like very much

thought this was a positive and pleasant read

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/r ... d-Prix.ap/

this article just enhances what you are saying by the way

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http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/new ... ilton-saga

an awful lot of insight and apparent truth in this - when i read this i feel that michael is on the back foot and in danger

what is the deal with lauda in all of this too?

and i now feel that hamilton is quite likely to sign with mercedes

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schumifan wrote:
snoop1050 wrote:
OppositeLock wrote:Schumacher is a diminishing asset that is still making rookie mistakes despite his experience. :evil: This should be his last season. If he isn't screwing up, the team is screwing up. #-o He hasn't brought home the points consistently. The team needs stability and a clean path to the future with a couple of young and hungry talents behind the wheel. [-o<
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made this before the weekend for another forum
when both cars finished the race who finished higher and more conistently?

now lets take into acount the majority of those non finishs for msc are the teams fault-mechanical error

seems hes pretty consistent to me, consistently 3 places higher than rosberg given a car that can last a race...

and yet people like that minardi idiot think the team should have 2 rosbergs? :lol:

get rid of them both if they get rid of msc based on performance and get 2 drivers who are at a skill level between msc and rosberg.

we all know over driving a car leads to errors look at hamiltons season when he had a poop box of a car almost every race a crash/collision with someone
very very good - i like very much

thought this was a positive and pleasant read

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/r ... d-Prix.ap/

this article just enhances what you are saying by the way

Are you so biased that you can't even bother to put Rosberg's name on your chart? You try to explain away Schumacher's mistakes with the excuse of over driving the car. Both drivers are struggling to understand the car. Only one driver seems capable of moving the team up in the standings and increasing their share of the millions in constructor's prize money. Two Rosbergs would make good business sense. The team needs the money to improve the car. Schumacher needs to up his game. He has ruined his chances at two of his favourite circuits; Monaco and Suzuka. #-o

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OppositeLock wrote: Are you so biased that you can't even bother to put Rosberg's name on your chart? You try to explain away Schumacher's mistakes with the excuse of over driving the car. Both drivers are struggling to understand the car. Only one driver seems capable of moving the team up in the standings and increasing their share of the millions in constructor's prize money. Two Rosbergs would make good business sense. The team needs the money to improve the car. Schumacher needs to up his game. He has ruined his chances at two of his favourite circuits; Monaco and Suzuka. #-o
The chart isn't his; it is copied from F1fanatics where you can find statistics per driver. So that's not a case of bias. However, I find it very insulting towards Keith Collantine that he claimed it as his own. He did NOT made this:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/statistics/2 ... chumacher/
#AeroFrodo

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OppositeLock wrote: Are you so biased that you can't even bother to put Rosberg's name on your chart? You try to explain away Schumacher's mistakes with the excuse of over driving the car. Both drivers are struggling to understand the car. Only one driver seems capable of moving the team up in the standings and increasing their share of the millions in constructor's prize money. Two Rosbergs would make good business sense. The team needs the money to improve the car. Schumacher needs to up his game. He has ruined his chances at two of his favourite circuits; Monaco and Suzuka. #-o
man all the people here think you're crazy. This year Michael ruin everything (team; races ; points ...) Maybe he should go to HRT or Caterham and there nobody will ask him for results and can enjoy races.
But i'm sure he'll quit at the end of this season!
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turbof1 wrote:
OppositeLock wrote: Are you so biased that you can't even bother to put Rosberg's name on your chart? You try to explain away Schumacher's mistakes with the excuse of over driving the car. Both drivers are struggling to understand the car. Only one driver seems capable of moving the team up in the standings and increasing their share of the millions in constructor's prize money. Two Rosbergs would make good business sense. The team needs the money to improve the car. Schumacher needs to up his game. He has ruined his chances at two of his favourite circuits; Monaco and Suzuka. #-o
The chart isn't his; it is copied from F1fanatics where you can find statistics per driver. So that's not a case of bias. However, I find it very insulting towards Keith Collantine that he claimed it as his own. He did NOT made this:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/statistics/2 ... chumacher/
tell keith to sue me for copyright please lets see if it even gets to court seeing as the information contained in the image belongs to formula one :lol:

2 rosbergs makes perfect sense if you want two drivers that drive well below the limits of the car stay very passive during races unless its their team mate....

rosberg would need a stupidly dominant car to stand a chance of winning any title... he reminds me of irvine 1999....

rosberg is flattered by reliability...

schumachers high points scoring positions were destroyed by gear box failures , fuel pump failures , grosjean and an incompetent wheel man

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snoop1050 wrote:
turbof1 wrote:
OppositeLock wrote: Are you so biased that you can't even bother to put Rosberg's name on your chart? You try to explain away Schumacher's mistakes with the excuse of over driving the car. Both drivers are struggling to understand the car. Only one driver seems capable of moving the team up in the standings and increasing their share of the millions in constructor's prize money. Two Rosbergs would make good business sense. The team needs the money to improve the car. Schumacher needs to up his game. He has ruined his chances at two of his favourite circuits; Monaco and Suzuka. #-o
The chart isn't his; it is copied from F1fanatics where you can find statistics per driver. So that's not a case of bias. However, I find it very insulting towards Keith Collantine that he claimed it as his own. He did NOT made this:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/statistics/2 ... chumacher/
tell keith to sue me for copyright please lets see if it even gets to court seeing as the information contained in the image belongs to formula one :lol:
It's not that. Information can and will be copied throughout the internet, that's not the problem. The problem is you show some decency by not claiming it as your own ("made this before the weekend for another forum"), which you clearly didn't show. Yes you can get that information anywhere, and it's not difficult to make that table yourself, but you still claimed something as your own while the person who really made it did the effort, not you.
I'm not here to preach, not at all, but we have seen articles which basicilly were rip-offs from other sides. I remember a pdf full with images from scarbs, with the author nowhere crediting Scarbs and ultimately claiming all the work Scarbs did as his own. No you don't need to mention the author on a forum; this is hugely informal talk and discussions where pieces of information gets copied just for the sake of the discussion, but claiming you made it is still one step too far.
#AeroFrodo

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find the same image on his website with the yellow circles?

jesus christ next time i go straight to wikipedia where basic information is considered free...

lets hope f1anatic doesnt hit me up for royalties =D>

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The MSC 10-place grid drop has seriously depressed me. I was very much looking forward to MSC @ Suzuka. My only lingering hope is that they manage to turn this car into a beast before the next race, and we see a Webber-esque moving up through the field to the podium. I'll give it about a 1% probability. Sigh.