Indian GP 2011 - Buddh

[ringo]

what telemetry?
The one saying he was faster than ever in that sector?

If you have a video of the incident, it's easy to understand that not all corners in that section are not flat out. You have to step on the brake at some time to take a corner you know. This is why sector time is used more often than not to determine if a driver really slowed, or if he conveniently lifted when he was taking a turn, which is what you do to take a turn.

Button didn't lift. Simple. He was flying and he saw the yellows. Nothing substantial to say any lifting was done. All we have is video and sound and sector time.

but this is the "unsafe" hamilton according to you: http://vimeo.com/31262768

[i70q7m7ghw]

but this is the "unsafe" hamilton according to you: http://vimeo.com/31262768

I think Hamilton could have protested as he would have had a strong case, I think there are various reasons why he didn't. No championship anymore and he want's to keep out of the stewards office, I think he just decided it wasn't worth it.

[lgmars]

what telemetry?
The one saying he was faster than ever in that sector?

His fastest s2 time is still .4 second slower than Hamilton's, however afterwards he managed to better LH's s3 time. So it could very well be that he did lift after the yellow flag but that he was still fast enough to improve upon his previous s2 records. How can you tell? Going to the telemetry right?

[ringo]

It doesn't matter what Hamilton was doing.
he can only be compared to himself, which is the usual procedure. Nice straw man argument though.
But that doesn't cut it. By the same logic you could compare his gap to the other cars in previous runs.

He can only be compared to himself in terms of Q1 and Q2 and Q3 runs. Whatever the case he didn't lift. Anyone with eyes and ears can realize that.

Why is there such desperation to fight such a clear cut breach of the rules?
Sector time faster, you see the yellows, you're still flying = breach, simple.

How come that video i put up with Hamilton isn't given the same benefit of the doubt?

Let's just move on to the race, as this is double standards at it's best. We all are smart enough to see the truth, doesn't matter how we argue here about this.

[lgmars]

It doesn't matter what Hamilton was doing.
he can only be compared to himself, which is the usual procedure. Nice straw man argument though.
But that doesn't cut it. By the same logic you could compare his gap to the other cars in previous runs.

He can only be compared to himself in terms of Q1 and Q2 and Q3 runs. Whatever the case he didn't lift. Anyone with eyes and ears can realize that.

Why is there such desperation to fight such a clear cut breach of the rules?
Sector time faster, you see the yellows, you're still flying = breach, simple.

How come that video i put up with Hamilton isn't given the same benefit of the doubt?

Let's just move on to the race, as this is double standards at it's best. We all are smart enough to see the truth, doesn't matter how we argue here about this.

Your point hinges on the fact that to achieve a better time one must be flying. But obviously that is not the case. It could be that he is flying, or it could be that he didn't set a previous time , still it could be that he was particularly slow in his previous attempts. If you look up his s2 time, it only ranks 10th, after Sutil. But his s1 and s3 are both 3rd best among all drivers. Still you're 100% certain he did not lift?

Regarding LH's case, all I can say is two wrongs does not make a right, you know that.

[Richard]

Back to topic.

Maldonado is impressive, he's keeping up with Barrichello.

[ringo]

He has been faster the whole season. Barichells should make way for Kimi.

[raymondu999]

Beelzebub I'm not in the UK so can't comment on your link. But I did find:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgIxLtzybQ[/youtube]

If this is the same video, the telemetry isn't matched up with reality. Look at his braking and speedo to see what I mean

Ringo, I'm obviously on the back foot here as I watched nothing live this weekend so far, but it's not illegal to set a green or even purple sector, or lap, when there are yellows there. The driver just needs to lift and not use DRS in the zone between when he sees yellow and when he gets a green

[doink]

TV bug, or did Vettel have a KERS-cheattastic lap?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 505966.stm

Watch the KERS meter at the start of the lap.

On his quick lap he did make up a lot of time in the first sector over his second fastest.

There's definitely a big anomaly on his KERS for that lap. It didn't appear to reset across the line but reset later in the lap - but only after he had definitely used it a bit. Potentially he gained from that. Hopefully the stewards will investigate and make sure that he did not deploy KERS for more than the prescribed period of time for that lap.

Don't be silly, the graphics are out of sync, not his car.

Listen to the gear changes as he starts to accelerate down the straight, the graphic holds in 6th, then starts dropping down gears in the middle of the straight with DRS disabled. It's obvious to me that the graphics were applied far too late, displaying the breaking, and running down the gears when starting the straight, when in fact he was half way down it already.

Don't be so quick to shout haxsploit!

[ell66]

complete fiasco with regards to the stewarding, and lol at anyone thinking button lifted, he set his fastest time of the weekend on that lap.

Anyone have any idea on the relative race pace of the cars?? Hamilton needs to get passed button at the start as we all know button is crazy slow at the begining of races.

[Richard]

Agree, that's a TV graphic error.

You can see on his dashboard that he is in seventh gear as he crosses the line and holds that for some time, then rapidly drops down the gears for the first corner.

The gear graphic is stuck on 6th for most of the straight and then starts tumbling while he is still on full throttle.

[Traction]

He has been faster the whole season. Barichells should make way for Kimi.

I agree

[bill shoe]

Beelzebub I'm not in the UK so can't comment on your link. But I did find:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgIxLtzybQ[/youtube]

Vettel has all four wheels off past the white line at 1:10 (turn 12). On his other Q3 lap (2 or 3 tenths slower) he had all four wheels off by a larger amount. Can we agree the "4 wheels off the track" rule exists in writing but not reality?

The U.S. announcers never mentioned it. I have the impression nobody cares. This is OK but then get rid of the rule in writing also.

[thatnoone]

Beelzebub I'm not in the UK so can't comment on your link. But I did find:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgIxLtzybQ[/youtube]

Vettel has all four wheels off past the white line at 1:10 (turn 12). On his other Q3 lap (2 or 3 tenths slower) he had all four wheels off by a larger amount. Can we agree the "4 wheels off the track" rule exists in writing but not reality?

The U.S. announcers never mentioned it. I have the impression nobody cares. This is OK but then get rid of the rule in writing also.

good point! actually it's not only in t12.. he had several moments where its four wheels off the track

[raymondu999]

There are some corners where it's kind of just accepted to be fair. Everyone was doing it in Monza pre 2009, and Barcelona 2010 most people didn't even have a single wheel on the kerb, let alone the white lines