2020 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 3-5 July

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Re: 2020 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, 3-5 July

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Does the ruling essentially hand the constructors and drivers title to Mercedes Benz?

It looks a heck of an innovation.

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Guess it does ... they will suffer way less tire deg, and therefor will remain in charge of strategic options.
I'd say (on no grounds at all) it won't be a mighty speedboost, but the smaller tire deg will prove to be decisive.

Although legal now for 2020, the fact it's not any longer as from 2021 says enough about being in the spirit of racing. Merc was smart to pull FIA in at an early stage, effectively force FIA into a position they could no longer deny the use as they exactly mapped out for Merc how it could/would be legal.
Smart play, great engineering, heads off .. but it still doesn't feel right to be used.
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Scarbs was saying on the Peter Windson channel that he thought they would use this to run extra toe in to help cornering performance, using DAS on the straight would reduce the tire scrub penalty that this set up would usually suffer from. Interesting thought, it seems there is no end of possibilities for DAS,

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From watching it again in Austria, it seems to be increasing toe down the straight, rather than Decreasing it.

I’m guessing this is to keep tire temps stable down the straight so they don’t loose temp?
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djos wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 02:20
From watching it again in Austria, it seems to be increasing toe down the straight, rather than Decreasing it.

I’m guessing this is to keep tire temps stable down the straight so they don’t loose temp?

it could be used for both, hence the benefit of the system it's very flexible.
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True, I wonder if they change it for each track to get the biggest benefit. Eg I can see reducing toe at Monza to slightly reduce drag would be useful.
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I'd assume they have the ability to adjust both the maximum and minimum amount of toe the system can generate.

What I'd like to know, is if it's a linear system or not.
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djos wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 02:45
True, I wonder if they change it for each track to get the biggest benefit. Eg I can see reducing toe at Monza to slightly reduce drag would be useful.
It’s a possibility that during a racing weekend Mercedes could watch the front tyre temps and/or wear in practice sessions and decide if it needs to add or remove to effect tyre usage.

If they are getting too hot/worn then use it to remove scrub. If however they need more heat and you’re getting low wear then use it to increase it!

Imagine having an option where you can actively focus more than usual on rear tyre wear because you have a system that helps stop front tyre wear anyway.

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That does sound highly plausible.
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Sergio Hamilton battle this weekend who would have expected'.
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I feel Redbull very soon will come up with their own DAS system. That’s why they hurried with protesting and that’s why they protested in the first place. I’m sure they knew that it was legal, but wanted an official statement before going for it.

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I am not a fan of the new car performance graphic they are showing. It's like the tire wear or the chance of passing graphic they had last year, only more useless IMO.

Also, I'm happy Red Bull protested the DAS early. This means that the race results won't be under doubt once the race was done. Had they lodged it later, it would put the race results into question, which would be really unfortunate after all the effort everyone (F1, the FIA and the teams) put into getting a race to happen despite the pandemic. Protesting early (and the subsequent timely decision) was good for the fans IMO.

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LM10 wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 05:16
I feel Redbull very soon will come up with their own DAS system. That’s why they hurried with protesting and that’s why they protested in the first place. I’m sure they knew that it was legal, but wanted an official statement before going for it.
I think Redbull don't need any clerification to use it if their first option is to use it. I think Redbull also have system ready to use but they prefer to prevent mercedes from using it in the first place. Because mercedes worked on it more than 1 year by now. But they had 2 months or a bit more. If mercedes use it mercedes' das system will be better than redbull's one, but if mercedes banned to use it redbull's front end will be better than mercedes.

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etusch wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 09:32
LM10 wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 05:16
I feel Redbull very soon will come up with their own DAS system. That’s why they hurried with protesting and that’s why they protested in the first place. I’m sure they knew that it was legal, but wanted an official statement before going for it.
I think Redbull don't need any clerification to use it if their first option is to use it. I think Redbull also have system ready to use but they prefer to prevent mercedes from using it in the first place. Because mercedes worked on it more than 1 year by now. But they had 2 months or a bit more. If mercedes use it mercedes' das system will be better than redbull's one, but if mercedes banned to use it redbull's front end will be better than mercedes.
I think it was more the case that they didn’t want a situation where they use it too and Ferrari or others throw the protest instead. Better to get clarification before getting in a place where you’re directly effected.