2021 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 12-14

[Dee]

I know what the FIA are going to do to get out of this.

Mercedes failed the test. DSQ.

Max touched his own car and Hamilton's during parc ferme. Also a DSQ (Made up rule which has never been used before)

Both start from the back for the sprint race.

Only way they get around this without legal action from Mercedes

If max is found guilty of anything it will be a severe punishment like exclusion from the remainder of the weekend, or a race ban!

Not a chance

[dans79]

Yes, but Hamilton got pole with that wing. He can't race with it, therefore it's time in Q cannot stand.

Max touched it after qualifying, not before. Thus if max was found to have damaged it, or reasonable doubt is cast, they would be allowed to change it without penalty. Just like any other time components get damaged and replaces under parc ferme conditions.

[dans79]

I know what the FIA are going to do to get out of this.

Mercedes failed the test. DSQ.

Max touched his own car and Hamilton's during parc ferme. Also a DSQ (Made up rule which has never been used before)

Both start from the back for the sprint race.

Only way they get around this without legal action from Mercedes

If max is found guilty of anything it will be a severe punishment like exclusion from the remainder of the weekend, or a race ban!

Not a chance

You honestly think if they found him guilty of damaging/tampering with or whatever term you chose a competitor's car under parc fame conditions he is going to get off with a slap on the wrist?

[Dee]

If max is found guilty of anything it will be a severe punishment like exclusion from the remainder of the weekend, or a race ban!

Not a chance

You honestly think if they found him guilty of damaging/tampering with or whatever term you chose a competitor's car under parc fame conditions he is going to get off with a slap on the wrist?

They have to prove that Max caused it to give him a penalty for damaging/tampering. They can fine him for breaking parc ferme rules but I think they are going to DSQ because of Mercedes also having to be DSQ.

[max_speed]

The FIA could ask Mercedes to set their wing to how it was to meet the regulations, and then test the wing the way max touched it to see if it affects it?

After FIA DSQ mercedes and about to punish Verstappen, RedBull should make this argument before deciding the severity of punishment, apart from warning to Verstappen, i do not see anything more in it. this has been done in past by many drivers. this one is one hell of a coincidence. if verstappen's touch has damaged it and mercedes claims it they will become a laughing stock over social media , brand will suffer a hit.

[max_speed]

So, with Hamilton and Verstappen disqualified*, any chance Perez and Bottas could be DSQed too? We'd actually get an interesting race rather than the usual boring, empty hype-fest.

*I've been closely following the expert posters here and their extraordinarily well-evidenced and flawlessly argued positions that a rule break is a rule break and means compulsory DSQ...I'm sure they've been 100% consistent with their position and aren't contorting themselves to let one driver get away with breaking the rules whilst demanding draconian punishments for the other as that would be embarrassingly pathetic of them.

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Another great drive by Gasly! He's been outstanding this season. Once the sprint farce is out of the way, this should be a great race between him, the Ferraris and the McLarens! LeClerc, Gasly, Norris...but I think it'll be close all race.

Punishment for Killing and Stealing is different. both are crime, first one in heinous. hope this helps and stewards know it.

[AeroDynamic]

But if the wing met the test before qualifying, why would it be different afterward? Was it not the same wing they ran all practice?

There is an angle that it only failed the test after max touched it

[Dee]

But if the wing met the test before qualifying, why would it be different afterward? Was it not the same wing they ran all practice?

There is an angle that it only failed the test after max touched it

Nah, The wing can be changed after FP1. If it was checked directly before qualy, you would have a case but it wasn't and thus you can't say it failed the test after Max touched it.

[dans79]

They have to prove that Max caused it to give him a penalty for damaging/tampering. They can fine him for breaking parc ferme rules but I think they are going to DSQ because of Mercedes also having to be DSQ.

A fine would be what he got if he was found guilty of modifying/tampering with his own car. A competitors car is something substantially different.



this is from the international sporting code.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... 2021_0.pdf

12.1.1.a Unless stated otherwise, offences or infringements
are punishable, whether they were committed intentionally
or through negligence.

12.2.1.l Any infringement of the principles of fairness in
Competition, behaviour in an unsportsmanlike manner or
attempt to influence the result of a Competition in a way
that is contrary to sporting ethics.

[Dee]

They have to prove that Max caused it to give him a penalty for damaging/tampering. They can fine him for breaking parc ferme rules but I think they are going to DSQ because of Mercedes also having to be DSQ.

A fine would be what he got if he was found guilty of modifying/tampering with his own car. A competitors car is something substantially different.



this is from the international sporting code.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... 2021_0.pdf

12.1.1.a Unless stated otherwise, offences or infringements
are punishable, whether they were committed intentionally
or through negligence.

12.2.1.l Any infringement of the principles of fairness in
Competition, behaviour in an unsportsmanlike manner or
attempt to influence the result of a Competition in a way
that is contrary to sporting ethics.

Vettel put his foot on Hamilton's tyre and pressed down on it in parc ferme and no warning or anything at all was done. That is prescedent and you have 50 years of prescedent to go along with it, it doesn't matter what the rules say. Max cannot be given a severe penalty for what he did unless as you say, they make it up on the spot.

They can't even prove he did anything at all to the car, that caused anything to change.

[Vaexa]

From this angle it doesn't even look like he touched the rear wing to begin with, more held up his thumb as a measure or something.

Of course the stewards have access to the rear-facing camera and CCTV and what have you, so they know way more than any of us. It's ridiculous that we're talking about DSQs and even race bans. C'mon.

[f1jcw]

From this angle it doesn't even look like he touched the rear wing to begin with, more held up his thumb as a measure or something.

Of course the stewards have access to the rear-facing camera and CCTV and what have you, so they know way more than any of us. It's ridiculous that we're talking about DSQs and even race bans. C'mon.

People see what they want to see

[max_speed]

looks like he was measuring the gap between 2 endplates on the wing. Calls by Merc/HAM fans to DSQ him for "touching" wing is an attempt to hide cheating "illegal wing (result of Toto's wolf cry to throw everything)" shows how "honest" Merc as competitors are. Nothing more to add and say on this topic from me.

[f1jcw]

looks like he was measuring the gap between 2 endplates on the wing. Calls by Merc/HAM fans to DSQ him for "touching" wing is an attempt to hide cheating "illegal wing (result of Toto's wolf cry to throw everything)" shows how "honest" Merc as competitors are. Nothing more to add and say on this topic from me.

So rules are rules, unless it is Max involved and then it’s BS.

[Senna108]

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