Pirelli will take Bridgestone's place after 2010

[WhiteBlue]

If the experts are right you can expect a lot more variance in the Pirelli tyre sets than we had with the Bridgestones. The quality will not be as consistent. No idea why this is expected but that is what I read prior to the decision.

Thats what always happens in industry when a new product mass production begins. You just cant do it right in the first attempt, even if they test for 6 months.

Yes, pretty obvious. Consider also that they would get much less input as tyre testing is greatly reduced.

that doesn't tell me who they are does it !
experts in race tyre engineering work for tyre manufacturers , the ones I have spoken to say that pirelli are renowned for their consistency

does that not have as much validity as the other comments here ?

I have checked my sources and found the AMuS story:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 68042.html

Auch bei Pirelli gibt es Bedenken. Wer sich an die letzte Formel 1-Phase der Italiener im Jahr 1991 noch erinnert, der führt ins Feld, dass die italienischen Reifen von Satz zu Satz große Qualitätsschwankungen aufgewiesen haben. Daran soll sich bis heute bei den Rennserien, die Pirelli beliefert, nicht viel geändert haben.

There are also some concerns with Pirelli (as supplier). Those who remember the last F1 stint of the Italian supplier in 1991 argue a lack of consistency of the Italian tyres between sets. It is said that not much has changed to the day in the motor sport series supplied by Pirelli.

Tyrrel, Brabham, Benetton and Dallara were running Pirelli in 1991. Drivers were Nakajima, Modena, Brundle, Blundell, Moreno, Schumacher, Piquet, Pirro and Lehto. Obviously it would be easiest to ask Brundle about the quality because the BBC probably has a question facility.

[xpensive]

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Tyrrel, Brabham, Benetton and Dallara were running Pirelli in 1991. Drivers were Nakajima, Modena, Brundle, Blundell, Moreno, Schumacher, Piquet, Pirro and Lehto. Obviously it would be easiest to ask Brundle about the quality because the BBC probably has a question facility.

Good point WB, but why don't we do the reaearch properly and backtrack to the golden era in the 30s, all in order to find out who would be the most qualified of tyre-suppliers for 2011?

[WhiteBlue]

I have no doubts that F1 has made a good decision about the tyre supplier. I would have done absolutely the same. I just like to have all facts on the table. If product consistency was a typical problem with Pirelli you want to consider that and I'm sure it has been considered. The main aspect is that the teams can expect it to be the same problem for all. With Michelin they would have had a tyre supplier who might have been more competent but who had a fundamental problem in philosophy. The teams want a spec supplier and Michelin want competition. In that situation the potential consistency problems might be the lesser of two evils.

[Jersey Tom]

I agree. Those Formula one teams and tyre-engineers clearly don't have the vaguest idea of what they're doing.

Well, sad truth is, in a lot of pro motorsport it comes down to who pays the most rather than who has the best product. Sanctioning body gets paid off, teams get paid off, etc. See it happen every year. F1 is no exception.

Will they get their act together? Maybe. We'll see. I'm pretty skeptical.

[lebesset]

I think the main problem is going to be to persuade pirelli to make a product that doesn't wear too long

look at the difference it made at montreal

bridgestone are going to soften up the specs from now on I understand , but I bet it will be too little , too late

will be interesting to see how many of the races for the rest of the season will NOT be start on soft , one change

[ISLAMATRON]

Pirelli talking about bringing more aggresive tires to the races next year

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84895

[marcush.]

pirelli initial testing with Toyota TF110?
in the end we will see the beauty on a race track ...and at least it seems we get a comparison to the current cars ,but on the wrong tyres... ...

[Scotracer]

pirelli initial testing with Toyota TF110?
in the end we will see the beauty on a race track ...and at least it seems we get a comparison to the current cars ,but on the wrong tyres... ...

I thought that had been rubished and they were going to use a 2011-spec GP2 car instead?

In slightly related news: GP2 cars will run F1-spec rubber next year. Expect them to be around 4 seconds per lap slower than a mid-field 2011 F1 car.

[FW17]

It is sad that the FIA missed the chance to bring back tyre war in F1. The old one was bad sometimes, but it was an additional talking point.

Michelin should have been allowed to be the supplier for prime and Pirelli for the option, then we could have had a proper tyre war.



ON ROAD MICHELINs ARE LOT BETTER THAN PIRELLI AND BRIDGESTONE

[Just_a_fan]

ON ROAD MICHELINs ARE LOT BETTER THAN PIRELLI AND BRIDGESTONE

That assertion is tosh and doesn't get any better for shouting it.

You may prefer Michelins on your car but that doesn't make them 'better' in any way other than they better suit your preferences.

[audifan]

how much slower are how much slower than mid field F1 cars are GP2 cars at the moment ? is there a choice of 4 specs?

and the statement by williams F1 that michelin on road tyres are a lot better than pirelli and bridgestone demonstrates a total lack of knowledge of road tyre design and production

[Jersey Tom]

ON ROAD MICHELINs ARE LOT BETTER THAN PIRELLI AND BRIDGESTONE

Generally better than Pirelli? Maybe. Bridgestone? Nah. The big 3 companies (Bridgestone, Michelin, Goodyear) and their subsidiaries are all very close on performance, and Michelin doesn't just hands down win out any categories.

I'd love to cite a specific example where a certain 620+ hp OE vehicle on Michelin summer tires... gets crushed by the 500 hp version on a different brand of OE tires... but don't think I can say specifics yet.

[godlameroso]

From all the street tires I've used Yokahama tires have been the best, better than Michelin, better than Dunlop, or Pirelli, I even had a set of Potenzas but that was back in 98-99. The Pirellis were good but wore too quickly, I couldn't even get 18,000km out of them. For what they cost and how sticky and how long they last Yokahama is the best but then again I don't have monster wheels that require monster tires.

[marcush.]

i don´t see this transfer from track to road or even semislicks.
If you happen to find a tyre that really suits your car even a Hankook or Kumho might be the ultimate..for your needs ..
I´m always amazed that even seemingly professional teams don´t really know what they stick on their rims and take things a bit granted as Michelins are best and Pirelli are inconsistent-inconsistent in what?- do we know if this is in the tyre or how it was stored and how long? Constant asking of your tyre supplier will build knowledge and maybe tell you who to ask and when...all of a sudden things will fall in palce and the seemingly bad product starts to show strengths you never thought possible.
But then who am I to know.

[FW17]

Michelin are lot quieter and less rollind resistance for equal grip as any of the tyres mentioned