Seven time F1 World Champion Michael Schumacher has awoken from his coma, more than six months after a skiing accident left him with life threatening brain injuries.
Why would you equate no information to no life?Vettel Maggot wrote:This situation could have been handled a lot better from his management team. By creating a blackout what that leads people to believe is he is pretty much dead. Which I think he might be anyway. If there was good news we would have heard it by now surely.
Because they previously gave updates as progress was being made. These then suddenly stopped and we are left with a vacuum. Given the lack of good news, the length of time, and the leaked (and subsequently confirmed) news of complications I would say the odds of a full recovery are next to zero and the odds of MS regaining any meaningful measure of consciousness are diminishing with each day that passes.beelsebob wrote:Why would you equate no information to no life?Vettel Maggot wrote:This situation could have been handled a lot better from his management team. By creating a blackout what that leads people to believe is he is pretty much dead. Which I think he might be anyway. If there was good news we would have heard it by now surely.
They didn't suddenly stop. They announced that they were going to slow down the amount of information to allow the family to deal with it in their own time.myurr wrote:Because they previously gave updates as progress was being made. These then suddenly stopped and we are left with a vacuum. Given the lack of good news, the length of time, and the leaked (and subsequently confirmed) news of complications I would say the odds of a full recovery are next to zero and the odds of MS regaining any meaningful measure of consciousness are diminishing with each day that passes.
This would be true...if you mattered. To the Doctors, the only people that matter in this case are Michael and his family. The hospitals job is to treat the patient and help the family. They can't, and should never, be held accountable to the general public in this matter.Vettel Maggot wrote:My assertions would be more informed with more information!
He mattered whilst MS was making money from sponsorship deals. To say he doesn't matter at all now is just as callous as demanding information from the family.Writinglife wrote:This would be true...if you mattered. To the Doctors, the only people that matter in this case are Michael and his family. The hospitals job is to treat the patient and help the family. They can't, and should never, be held accountable to the general public in this matter.Vettel Maggot wrote:My assertions would be more informed with more information!
All we can do as fans and well-wishers is exactly that. Send our best wishes and keep hoping for a recovery. Its not fair to the medical team and the family to make wild speculations because we don't have up to the minute information. We're not entitled to it. We just have to be patient and remember who is important in these times. Michael and his family.
not us.
They said it would slow down not stop, and implied that they would update us all once there were changes in his condition. There were changes to his condition, pneumonia and a return to inducing a coma, but these stories broke because of leaks that later had to be confirmed by Schumacher's management. If those leaks hadn't happened we likely wouldn't have been informed (although I'll concede we'll never know either way). That is a sudden stop.beelsebob wrote:They didn't suddenly stop. They announced that they were going to slow down the amount of information to allow the family to deal with it in their own time.
This is not sound logic at all. The fact that people paid for something does not mean they are entitled to something else just because of that. Fans do not usually donate to the charities of their favorite athletes. If they bought something, they also got something in return, whether be t-shirts, hats, etc...myurr wrote: He mattered whilst MS was making money from sponsorship deals. To say he doesn't matter at all now is just as callous as demanding information from the family.
Schumacher built a brand around his public persona and the point I was making is that it is callous to expect all those people to suddenly not matter when their idol, who has cultivated them as part of his brand, is seriously ill in hospital.LionKing wrote:This is not sound logic at all. The fact that people paid for something does not mean they are entitled to something else just because of that. Fans do not usually donate to the charities of their favorite athletes. If they bought something, they also got something in return, whether be t-shirts, hats, etc...myurr wrote: He mattered whilst MS was making money from sponsorship deals. To say he doesn't matter at all now is just as callous as demanding information from the family.
There have been updates that were only confirmed to the public due to leaks. Namely that Schumacher had pneumonia and that he was back in an induced coma. Those are not just the status quo, and even if his management did release a statement saying "no change" that's better than not releasing one at all, if it's true.LionKing wrote:Secondly, what is the need for update when there is very likely none? What are they going to say everyday? that he is still sleeping or that these are the results of his latest liver function test?
As opposed to the speculation in vacuum that we've had instead? Informed speculation is always better than wild guessing based on an absence of information. Not providing any updates has been shown to not help the situation, plus the news eventually leaks anyway causing more distress than if it were being properly managed.LionKing wrote:And even if they have more information to provide, what would happen if they release more details? There will instantly be armchair medical experts and other doctors giving all sorts of opinions including some second-guessing the current treatment etc.
No one has asked for this, it is something you have constructed to try to back up your argument. An update every couple of weeks is not too much to ask, rather than an update a day or two after the news leaks anyway. No one has requested daily updates.LionKing wrote:What matters is whether the team attending Schumacher is one of the best available. If so, just let them do their job and eventually he will see the outcome. Hopefully it will be the favorable outcome we are looking for. Schumacher is not the only patient in that hospital, those doctors have others to attend as well. It is very selfish to demand that they waste their time daily and deal with distractions.
No one is saying they should.Shakeman wrote:It will be a horrific time for the family and if I were in their situation I wouldn't give the slightest hoot what the public thought.
Paying for merch is not the issue; having an emotional attachment to a prominent figure and being kept in the dark is the issue. I personally don't ever feel that strongly about celebrities I've never met, but plenty of people do. To deny that would be delusional.LionKing wrote:This is not sound logic at all. The fact that people paid for something does not mean they are entitled to something else just because of that. Fans do not usually donate to the charities of their favorite athletes. If they bought something, they also got something in return, whether be t-shirts, hats, etc...myurr wrote: He mattered whilst MS was making money from sponsorship deals. To say he doesn't matter at all now is just as callous as demanding information from the family.
If that is the case, I agree. But it sounds like it may not actually be the case with reports of pneumonia and going back into induced coma.LionKing wrote:Secondly, what is the need for update when there is very likely none? What are they going to say everyday? that he is still sleeping or that these are the results of his latest liver function test?
So what?LionKing wrote:And even if they have more information to provide, what would happen if they release more details? There will instantly be armchair medical experts and other doctors giving all sorts of opinions including some second-guessing the current treatment etc.
Of course. That's what managers and PR people are for.LionKing wrote:What matters is whether the team attending Schumacher is one of the best available. If so, just let them do their job and eventually he will see the outcome. Hopefully it will be the favorable outcome we are looking for. Schumacher is not the only patient in that hospital, those doctors have others to attend as well. It is very selfish to demand that they waste their time daily and deal with distractions.
It does include the quote "Now that several weeks have passed since the accident"
