2016 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, Thu 26 – Sun 29 May

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KBM Racing wrote:Unfortunate Q2 for Max V. , Great Q3 for Daniel R., however with the pressure of Nico (king of Monaco) wanting his 4th win in a row at Monaco I doubt Daniel will be able to fight him off under race conditions, and as long as Lewis doesn't get stupid and take himself and Nico out again, Nico R. should win the race, we'll see tomorrow

Go Nico Go!!!
Ricciardo has the best strategy and his lap times have been impressive, I doubt he can beaten unless they overtake him in the start.

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GPR-A wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
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Nico proves to be a ginger. He had the opportunity to do the job and he didn't.

So, Red Bull has come of age!!! Wow, that is so cool. Thanks for Ferrari for holding station and now they can step aside.
Nonsense. Ricciardo was the best today, this lap was imposible to improve. Nico has done the best he could have done today.
Lewis was up in Sector 1 and if that was a normal qualifying, he could have been on pole. You are right, THAT IS ALL NICO CAN DO !!! Just goes on to prove that, when competition heats up, THIS IS ALL HE CAN DO, be second rate!
Ricciardo´s second sector and especially thrid sector were just perfect, Hamilton could have ended second, no more.

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Vasconia wrote:
GPR-A wrote:
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Nonsense. Ricciardo was the best today, this lap was imposible to improve. Nico has done the best he could have done today.
Lewis was up in Sector 1 and if that was a normal qualifying, he could have been on pole. You are right, THAT IS ALL NICO CAN DO !!! Just goes on to prove that, when competition heats up, THIS IS ALL HE CAN DO, be second rate!
Ricciardo´s second sector and especially thrid sector were just perfect, Hamilton could have ended second, no more.
You must be high on something. Lewis did his best time on the 5th lap, whereas both Ric and Nico did it on their third laps. Despite that, Lewis could get best first sector time. That shows, if everything was right, Lewis was on pole. It is natural that, all that fuel he had on board, impacted the tyre life in those early laps.

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GPR-A wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
GPR-A wrote:Lewis was up in Sector 1 and if that was a normal qualifying, he could have been on pole. You are right, THAT IS ALL NICO CAN DO !!! Just goes on to prove that, when competition heats up, THIS IS ALL HE CAN DO, be second rate!
Ricciardo´s second sector and especially thrid sector were just perfect, Hamilton could have ended second, no more.
You must be high on something. Lewis did his best time on the 5th lap, whereas both Ric and Nico did it on their third laps. Despite that, Lewis could get best first sector time. That shows, if everything was right, Lewis was on pole. It is natural that, all that fuel he had on board, impacted the tyre life in those early laps.
Stop hating other drivers when your favourite does not perform. Just shows how butthurt you really are.

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Jolle wrote:I think Ric on SS for the race is going to cost him. Now he's going to be on the slowest rubber for ⅔ of the race (if Mercedes can keep their cars running)

If they have a clean start with 1 RIC, 2 and 3 the Merc boys, they just have to wait 15-20 laps until they can switch to SS. Then, with fresh rubber they can close the gap to RIC, who, when on US's will be behind them.

A three stop might be wise for them. SS - US US, as long as he can keep track position.
Supersoft is slow, but Ricciardo manages 0.3s of the pole time on them. Don't think so. Expect the Ultrasoft to wear of after a few laps, so Ricciardo starts pulling a gap and Mercedes cannot pit so early because they could get stuck after a slower midfield car.

But after the pitstops, Mercedes will allow qualli mode and catch up and force Ricciardo to put early, before his gap is gone. Now we will see some interresting racing tomorrow.

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GrayGreat wrote:
GPR-A wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
Ricciardo´s second sector and especially thrid sector were just perfect, Hamilton could have ended second, no more.
You must be high on something. Lewis did his best time on the 5th lap, whereas both Ric and Nico did it on their third laps. Despite that, Lewis could get best first sector time. That shows, if everything was right, Lewis was on pole. It is natural that, all that fuel he had on board, impacted the tyre life in those early laps.
Stop hating other drivers when your favourite does not perform. Just shows how butthurt you really are.
A Nico fanboy !!! There you go. Talk about Nico and pops up the frogs.

Other than yapping, at least sometimes you should be objective in proving me wrong.

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Assuming a dry race, when Mercedes put on new SS they wont be straight into the operating window, meanwhile Ricciardo's will and he will start putting his foot down. Same thing happened in 2012 with Seb flying on used tyres not having pitted at that stage. That could be Red Bull's logic.

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GPR-A wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
GPR-A wrote:Lewis was up in Sector 1 and if that was a normal qualifying, he could have been on pole. You are right, THAT IS ALL NICO CAN DO !!! Just goes on to prove that, when competition heats up, THIS IS ALL HE CAN DO, be second rate!
Ricciardo´s second sector and especially thrid sector were just perfect, Hamilton could have ended second, no more.
You must be high on something. Lewis did his best time on the 5th lap, whereas both Ric and Nico did it on their third laps. Despite that, Lewis could get best first sector time. That shows, if everything was right, Lewis was on pole. It is natural that, all that fuel he had on board, impacted the tyre life in those early laps.
Too many "if" to be so sure, Nico did a great first sector but then he lost it with Ricciardo, I think that the RB was particularly fast in the other sectors. So it was very, very difficult to keep those 3 tenths in those sectors which are more difficult and where a bigger diference is done.

Its about an opinion but I think you are being too subjetive in this case.

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matt_b wrote:Assuming a dry race, when Mercedes put on new SS they wont be straight into the operating window, meanwhile Ricciardo's will and he will start putting his foot down. Same thing happened in 2012 with Seb flying on used tyres not having pitted at that stage. That could be Red Bull's logic.
Mercedes cars can't overtake a Manor on tight circuits. :lol: So, it doesn't matter on which tyres Ricciardo starts, if he stays in front after the first corner, he is bound to win the race. Last year, Lewis on fresh tyres couldn't overtake Vettel on worn up tyres.

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The only thing I care about is Lewis beating Nico tomorrow if for no other reason to shut people up.
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matt_b wrote:Assuming a dry race, when Mercedes put on new SS they wont be straight into the operating window, meanwhile Ricciardo's will and he will start putting his foot down. Same thing happened in 2012 with Seb flying on used tyres not having pitted at that stage. That could be Red Bull's logic.
But then the super-softs will be up to temperature in 2-3 laps and the Mercs will start to gain time on Ricciardo again. But Ricciardo will need to stay out for a dozen (?) or so laps longer in order to make the ultrasoft stint short enough to manage.

Danny will probably be relying on the Mercs to come out in traffic so he can eke out his advantage enough for a much later stop.

But if there is a safety car in the window of the ultrasoft runners (say laps 20-35), Danny would be in trouble unless he decided to pit and fit a set of softs.

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GPR-A wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
GPR-A wrote:
Nico proves to be a ginger. He had the opportunity to do the job and he didn't.

So, Red Bull has come of age!!! Wow, that is so cool. Thanks for Ferrari for holding station and now they can step aside.
Nonsense. Ricciardo was the best today, this lap was imposible to improve. Nico has done the best he could have done today.
Lewis was up in Sector 1 and if that was a normal qualifying, he could have been on pole. You are right, THAT IS ALL NICO CAN DO !!! Just goes on to prove that, when competition heats up, THIS IS ALL HE CAN DO, be second rate!
Nico was also up on Ricciardo's time on his first run, both the mercs lost out in the last sector.
That Ricciardo red bull was just mighty in the last sector.

But i think Lewis wil win this, lets hope for some rain :wink:

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Dave P Fanclub wrote:
matt_b wrote:Assuming a dry race, when Mercedes put on new SS they wont be straight into the operating window, meanwhile Ricciardo's will and he will start putting his foot down. Same thing happened in 2012 with Seb flying on used tyres not having pitted at that stage. That could be Red Bull's logic.
But then the super-softs will be up to temperature in 2-3 laps and the Mercs will start to gain time on Ricciardo again. But Ricciardo will need to stay out for a dozen (?) or so laps longer in order to make the ultrasoft stint short enough to manage.

Danny will probably be relying on the Mercs to come out in traffic so he can eke out his advantage enough for a much later stop.

But if there is a safety car in the window of the ultrasoft runners (say laps 20-35), Danny would be in trouble unless he decided to pit and fit a set of softs.
If Danial pits 2-3 laps after Mercedes just before they get those tyre up the temperature he can maybe run the ultras to the finish as overtaking is so tough and I cant see Nico risking one down the inside.

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Sevach wrote:Well there's 9 tenths in Q3, i can say with certainty, Mclaren superchassis™ is a myth.
I find it amazing how people enjoy exaggerating :roll:

Nobody said it´s a superchasis, they said it´s 3th-4th right now. To me that´s quite far from a superchasis. For McLaren it will only be a superchasis when it is the best on the grid.

They said it´s 3th-4th, and it looks like it´s 5th-6th. Ok, they obviously were too optimistic (this shouldn´t be a surprise), but not that far off as some of you try to show

And you should also take into consideration the PU play a role too, even in Monaco the weakest PU is still a handicap


BTW, supposedly they had traction problems, but those evolved to understeer problems.... Could it be they did something to improve traction wich ruined front grip? My knownledge about F1 cars setups are too limited, and I find this weird :?:

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GPR-A wrote:
GrayGreat wrote:
GPR-A wrote:You must be high on something. Lewis did his best time on the 5th lap, whereas both Ric and Nico did it on their third laps. Despite that, Lewis could get best first sector time. That shows, if everything was right, Lewis was on pole. It is natural that, all that fuel he had on board, impacted the tyre life in those early laps.
Stop hating other drivers when your favourite does not perform. Just shows how butthurt you really are.
A Nico fanboy !!! There you go. Talk about Nico and pops up the frogs.

Other than yapping, at least sometimes you should be objective in proving me wrong.
- Calm down, or stop posting. Objectively Rosberg was quicker today :-). AFAIN he had some traffic on his first run in Q3. I'm not sure about the impact on time,
- It's Hamilton's problem he kept on driving for 5 laps ruining other drivers' qualifying
- Check race and qualifying results yourself for some objectivity. Start with Russia '15. For a "second tier driver" (not objective) Rosberg has been doing a v. good job of out-pacing, out-racing and out-qualifying Hamilton for a long time. Which grade driver is Hamilton then?
- Hamilton should consider himself lucky he didn't get a grid penalty thanks to lack of objectivity
- Rosberg is in front of his team-mate, that was his focus like for example was Hamilton's in Hungary '14.

Check this out: (Autosport) Markelov who won GP2 race "...started the race from 15th on the grid, but stayed out longer than anybody else on his soft tyres and was remarkably lapping quicker than the rest of the field". That's what I was talking about, unfortunately it won't work in F1 :cry: .