2025 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 23 - 25

[xwz]

(...) Can this race please be removed from the calender ? Swimsuits clad yacht babes and houte couture hats 'snazzed it up' in the 70s and 80s, when overtaking was possible as the cars were small. Now, in this era of giant cars and stiff suspensions, this race is like an old warwound - ugly & no amount of scratching the itch is going to make it better.

"Jewel in the F1 crown" is in reality "turd in the F1 toilet".
Just remove this once and for all. Enough selling past glory in the guise of 'tradition' when the present and future are pathetic.

Were you there in the 70s/80s, or are you quoting an "urban legend"? Because even back then, despite the smaller cars, you couldn't overtake in Monaco. And we had the same discussions about this track.

Like, after Lauda got into second place in 1979 after a sensational start and then held off everyone behind him. Only Villeneve managed to get past him by a whisker at Poiters. After 20 laps, Pironi lost his patience and tried a hopeless maneuver at Mirabeau. Lauda closed the door on him, and the Tyrrell landed on top of the Brabham.

Same discussion back then – almost half a century ago.

[restless]

then why is this race still in calendar?
Which is the elephant that keeps it?
Tjis weekend gives nothing to F1. Like 0. Except to show how bad a show it is these days

[dialtone]

Discussing the car does not make sense as generally Ferrari has much more priority on their Monaco and Monza specials. Next race they will be nowhere again and back for Monza...

Some reddit stuff right here…

[avantman]

Monaco is superb! It is the race every grand prix driver is dreaming of winning. It's toughest track to win at even having the fastest car. Because it can super easily go wrong both in Quali and in race and you won't have the DRS toy to make up for it after. The probability to win it is lower than any other track and that makes it unique, so prestigious and desired trophy.
it's never decided on Saturday, which is why all the critics tune in on Sunday and watch the race every year.

[michl420]

The main problem is of course the big (and fast) cars. But as I always say less regulation is better. I really believe that with no tyre rules at all monco can be a better race.

[avantman]

The main problem is of course the big (and fast) cars. But as I always say less regulation is better. I really believe that with no tyre rules at all monco can be a better race.

the main problem is in people's heads.
I rewatched several Monaco races from 80s and early 90s recently, and it was more boring than past four races, excluding 2024, which might've been the most boring F1 race of all time, I think it would be safe to assume that. But that was very unique circumstance.

[Seanspeed]

Pleasantries first - congrats Lando, that was a weekend when you answered your critics. In style. Well deserved.

I mean, he barely got pole and the win in very clearly the fastest car on the grid. He deserved the win, but I dont know that I'd consider it a terribly impressive performance overall.

Not sure it was clearly faster at this circuit, the Ferrari looked like it had the edge tbh.

Really? You're not sure the car which has been fastest at every track this year was faster than the Ferrari, which has usually only been 3rd/4th best? All at a place where Leclerc is magic and has consistently outperformed what the car would normally be capable of(the only reason he won in 2024). Mclaren almost assuredly had the best car here last year as well, with only Leclerc making the difference, much like Max did in Suzuka or whatever.

I think you're pretty well braising on the point I was trying to make to begin with. Leclerc was the only standout driver among the top guys. Norris basically did what should be expected of somebody of his status with the best car on the grid. It's not worth of any special praise.

[Lazy]

Both Ferraris were quick all through practice, you just want to elevate your hero by pretending he had such a slow car. The Ferrari clearly worked very well at Monaco. the Mclaren less so.

[Mogster]

The main problem is of course the big (and fast) cars. But as I always say less regulation is better. I really believe that with no tyre rules at all monco can be a better race.

the main problem is in people's heads.
I rewatched several Monaco races from 80s and early 90s recently, and it was more boring than past four races, excluding 2024, which might've been the most boring F1 race of all time, I think it would be safe to assume that. But that was very unique circumstance.

Monaco was made more interesting back in the day by mechanical breakdowns. 26 starters and less than 15 finishers was normal. Sometimes less than 10. It at least gave some jeopardy. Now there are hardly any mechanical DNFs and you just watch a train of 20 cars circulating for 2 hours.

[f1isgood]

Both Ferraris were quick all through practice, you just want to elevate your hero by pretending he had such a slow car. The Ferrari clearly worked very well at Monaco. the Mclaren less so.

The McLaren was the best car around the track. The Ferrari was close but clearly second best. Not sure where this edge is coming from when NOR can make a mistake and still be on pole by a tenth around a seventy second lap.

[Lazy]

Both Ferraris were quick all through practice, you just want to elevate your hero by pretending he had such a slow car. The Ferrari clearly worked very well at Monaco. the Mclaren less so.

The McLaren was the best car around the track. The Ferrari was close but clearly second best. Not sure where this edge is coming from when NOR can make a mistake and still be on pole by a tenth around a seventy second lap.

Leclerc said he made mistakes too. Your evidence is literally "trust me bro".

[DiogoBrand]

I love the discussions about making the cars smaller whenever there's a race with no overtakes. They did that already in 98, it didn't work. You can race go karts at Monaco and there will be no overtakes.

[Big Tea]

I love the discussions about making the cars smaller whenever there's a race with no overtakes. They did that already in 98, it didn't work. You can race go karts at Monaco and there will be no overtakes.

I think some confuse "Small" with "Agile". It is not only the size but a turning arc like a bus.
I forget which year, but one I was there, a car could not make the turn down to the hairpin past Gasworks and the marshals had to go on track and wheel him back for a 3 point turn while everyone queued up behind him.
( May have been Burger, not sure, a German driver defiantly)

[Sieper]

Berger? He is Austrian.

[xwz]

George Russell CRAZY IDEAS to Make Monaco GP Exciting Again
..didn't know Russell could be cheerfully humorous and self-ironic (at the end of the video.-)