Turkish GP 2011 - Istanbul

[andrew]

Can someone who has the race recorded please verify this:

On lap 48 or 49 Vettel was behind a Virgin (ha) and he was able to use his DRS in the DRS zone. Correct me if i am wrong, but isnt the DRS only available to those within one second of the position in front of them? I didnt think it was available to pass cars that are a lap down, or about to be a lap down that are in front of you.

DRS is available to anyone who is within 1 second of a car ahead, regardless of the car ahead being on the same lap, 1 lap down or 50 laps down.

[kakogohrena]

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Comparison of the drivers Lewis Hamilton VS Jenson Button Race Turkish GP 2011 (link) - or select other drivers

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H = Hard compound
n = New compound
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Graph history race Turkish GP 2011 (link)

• Lewis Hamilton
• Jenson Button

compared to driver #1 Sebastian Vettel
From 35 lap Hamilton drove in the pace of Vettel

[beelsebob]

Graph history race Turkish GP 2011 (link)

• Lewis Hamilton
• Jenson Button

compared to driver #1 Sebastian Vettel
From 35 lap Hamilton drove in the pace of Vettel

Yep – if hamilton hadn't --- up in turn 3 he would have been up there with Vettel, Alonso and Webber. It's amazing how such a small mistake can have such a big impact under the new rules.

[raymondu999]

And if the old system was used last year, the championship would have been tied between Vettel and Hamilton, Lewis only losing out on count back.

Just a correction on a factual error there mate - I kept a running spreadsheet of last year, if it ran on the 10-8-6 points, and also this year. Last year Hamilton would NOT have been champ even on 10-8-6.
Link: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8533&start=60

And here was what it worked out to:

Vettel 104
Alonso 101
Lewis 100
Webber 97
Jenson 87
Felipe 57
Rosberg 55
Kubica 52
Schumacher 25
Sutil 15
Barrichello 15
Kobayashi 9
Petrov 9
Hulkenberg 6
Liuzzi 5
DelaRosa 2
Heidfeld 1
Buemi 1
Alguersuari 0

[Ciro Pabón]

Thanks, Tumbarello and FrukostCones. I forgot: the name is not "Baby Schumi" but "Wonder Boy".

... Last year Hamilton would NOT have been champ even on 10-8-6.

He would have be if FIA had followed my suggestion. The system is the same, except for the top two places. It goes like this:

1st > 20 points
2nd > 25 points
3rd > 18 points

etcétera.

Those guys at FIA are like so unfair... don't you think, girls?

[Jimi_Hendrix_1967]

Graph history race Turkish GP 2011 (link)

• Lewis Hamilton
• Jenson Button

compared to driver #1 Sebastian Vettel
From 35 lap Hamilton drove in the pace of Vettel

Yep – if hamilton hadn't --- up in turn 3 he would have been up there with Vettel, Alonso and Webber. It's amazing how such a small mistake can have such a big impact under the new rules.

Even in free air Hamilton was about .8 to more than a second slower than the leaders. Theres no way he wouldv kept up.

[HampusA]

Hamilton would not be able to hang with the trio according to the graph.
You can also see that Alonso actually managed his tires better then webber until the very last stint.


Vettel
Webber
Alonso
Hamilton
Button

[kakogohrena]

Hamilton would not be able to hang with the trio according to the graph.
You can also see that Alonso actually managed his tires better then webber until the very last stint.

Vettel
Webber
Alonso
Hamilton
Button

but from lap 35 pace Ham,Vet,Web and Alo are same

[Jimi_Hendrix_1967]

Only 3 or 4 laps. Even when Hamilton got pace later in the race, the others still beat him with several tenths per lap, hence the distance.

[thestig84]

Hamilton would not be able to hang with the trio according to the graph.

He wouldnt be far off. Remember he was in far worse traffic, battles with Button etc holding him up and taking more out of his tyres.

[Jimi_Hendrix_1967]

And whos fault was that? The traffic?

Hamilton couldv qualified 2nd but he failed.

He also couldv started better but he failed.

Then he couldv stayed on the track at the start but he failed there too.

Or make better use of the DRS and his supposed overtaking skills but no, he could not clear his teammate Jenson Button. Considering all that Hamilton shouldnt complain about finishing 4th, and start working on his tendency to drop it on important moments in a race.

[kakogohrena]

And whos fault was that? The traffic?

and team on pit failed too

[Jimi_Hendrix_1967]

True, but that did not cost him a position. Also, the screwing up of Buttons strategy probably saved Lewis from having to finish behind Jenson.

[komninosm]

Only 3 or 4 laps. Even when Hamilton got pace later in the race, the others still beat him with several tenths per lap, hence the distance.

How did "the others still beat him" after lap 35 by several tenths per lap? From the graph I see him catching up to Vettel slightly and keeping pace with the climbing Webber and Alonso (slightly closing on them too). Prejudiced much? Or is that graph wrong?

And whos fault was that? The traffic?

Hamilton couldv qualified 2nd but he failed.

He also couldv started better but he failed.

Then he couldv stayed on the track at the start but he failed there too.

Or make better use of the DRS and his supposed overtaking skills but no, he could not clear his teammate Jenson Button. Considering all that Hamilton shouldnt complain about finishing 4th, and start working on his tendency to drop it on important moments in a race.

Nobody said it was anyone's fault. They simply said his pace showed he could have kept up. That is all. Until your bias stirred up a hornet's nest. Hamilton didn't complain about finishing 4th either.

[kalinka]

Also Hamilton said he's having too much front wing AoA at start, which they corrected only later, though he didn't specify on which pistop they corrected it. So McLaren's true race pace was much better, but they just screw up few things, including Hamilton's error at first lap. But probably I wouldn't like him if he doesn't give a try in these situations