Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[clipsy1H]

I'm not disagreeing with you that he will retire. I think he will.
However I disagree with your principal that because he held a press conference and told everyone what he was going to do at the end of the season, that he can't change his mind later. There is no rule that says you have held press conference therefore you will do what you said you will do.

yes indeed and clearly many would pray you are right - but surely we can only dream and is michael not too stubborn and proffessional for these sorts of inconsistencies - agree though that even though he seems miserable, he is still fast and fighting fit

terminator

we don't know what is in his mind but for me is clear ..... look again at his perss conference i mean look at his face... he is disgusted about what happened in last weeks and wants to stay far away. but if we still talk about next year there is just 1 option remaining (Lotus) but i don't think so

[FoxHound]

Schumacher could do his Friend Peter Sauber a favour and do the winter testing with the new car for them and as soon as it is a fact that this car is as competitive as desired he would rethink his retirement for one final season..

That's a bit of a cop out isn't it?
"Yea let me drive it, then if it's quick I'll sign where you want". Yeaaaaaa... it doesnt work that way.

1993,
McLaren Mp4/8
Confirmed driver: Michael Andretti
Race by race Contract driver: Aaryton Senna Da Silva

the situation is well documented.

Pa-haha you are going back 20 years!
And was Senna retiring?

You are comparing apples with pears.

[Ganxxta]

Interesting small piece of information I heard today on Sky:

They said that Michael didn't know right before the conference that Mercedes has signed Hamilton.
Therefor he didn't told Brawn and Haug that he will announce his retiring at the then held press conference...

I think thats why the faces of those two were a little bit uncertain, they simply didn't know that

[clipsy1H]

Interesting small piece of information I heard today on Sky:

They said that Michael didn't know right before the conference that Mercedes has signed Hamilton.
Therefor he didn't told Brawn and Haug that he will announce his retiring at the then held press conference...

I think thats why the faces of those two were a little bit uncertain, they simply didn't know that

Michael didn't know what? i mean where was that press conference??? i know he didnt told Brawn and Haug but he know about Hamilton since first hour .... he also post comment about that.
Guys i want Michael next year but is impossible and i don't want to dream again ... i also do that before this race and what happen Thursday ruined my rest of this year.
And also Monisha Kaltenborn told media they didn't talk with Michael and in next 1-2 weeks i guess all teams will announce their line-ups.

[Raptor22]

Schumacher could do his Friend Peter Sauber a favour and do the winter testing with the new car for them and as soon as it is a fact that this car is as competitive as desired he would rethink his retirement for one final season..

That's a bit of a cop out isn't it?
"Yea let me drive it, then if it's quick I'll sign where you want". Yeaaaaaa... it doesnt work that way.




1993,
McLaren Mp4/8
Confirmed driver: Michael Andretti
Race by race Contract driver: Aaryton Senna Da Silva

the situation is well documented.

Pa-haha you are going back 20 years!
And was Senna retiring?

You are comparing apples with pears.

He threatened to. He told Ron Dennis he was not coming back and that he would be announcing his retirement. Ron convinced him to at least try the car before he made that decision.
Senna flew to England and drove the MP4/8. He tried to hide his delight because he realised that McLaren had built a very racy car, but he thought quickly and told Ron he wanted engine parity with Benetton before he signed for the season. While Ron sorted that out he committed to a race by race contract for GBP 1million per race. He made an easy GBP6Million before he committed to the rest of the season. It was his way of getting the best of two worlds. More money from the tight fisted Ron and it incentivise McLaren to keep developing the car. We all know what happened next....

They had built a TAG Electronics ECU for the Ford engine which was better than the one fitted to the factory Ford engine in Schumachers B193.
They had better aerodynamics then even the Williams and used innovative active barge boards in conjunction with active suspension and a gearbox that could be run in fully automatic mode.
Most of all the car handled better than the Williams of Prost. It just lacked a bit of top end power but made up in mid range torque.

[user001]

... and in next 1-2 weeks i guess all teams will announce their line-ups.

definitely not all. there have been many seasons, when the last drivers were announced in the very last minute.

[clipsy1H]

... and in next 1-2 weeks i guess all teams will announce their line-ups.

definitely not all. there have been many seasons, when the last drivers were announced in the very last minute.

i mean top teams .... at the moment in my opinion Sauber Board knows 2013 drivers (Kamui for sure and Jaime i guess .... why Pireli need a tester???) Only empty place is at Lotus after Japan race but i'm so sure.....

[OppositeLock]

If you're so worried about Schumacher, why not start a thread for him. I'm sick of these silly rumours. Mercedes will field Hamilton and Rosberg in 2013. I came here to talk about the Mercedes team. The car was competitive in race trim. I'm sure Rosberg would have scored points.

[SSS]

Car is now behind RBR,Ferrari,Mclaren,Lotus,Sauber & Force India. Its 7th Fastest.

Competitive my a**. Its a pile of ---. Heck I think in most races Williams have been better & Merc have been 8th fastest in many races

[clipsy1H]

If you're so worried about Schumacher, why not start a thread for him. I'm sick of these silly rumours. Mercedes will field Hamilton and Rosberg in 2013. I came here to talk about the Mercedes team. The car was competitive in race trim. I'm sure Rosberg would have scored points.

so if you want to talk about Hamilton and Rosberg than wait 2013!! this thread is "Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012"

if i'm not wrong 2012 team = Schumi and Rosberg... and yes we talk about team and what gonna do a in next few race this team ... and if you think this car was competitive than you didn't watch the race.... how can be competitive this car? when on straights Toro Rosso had more speed.
And also we talk about how this team let down 2 great drivers (Nico and Michael).

[elf341]

I saw that Geoff Willis was in Japan in the background during Martin Brundle's grid walk. He was looking very intently at other cars, the Lotus in particular.

[FoxHound]

Raptor,

If you think Schumachers situation is in anyway similar to what senna was going through in 1993, then you are plain wrong. senna was 32, schumacher 43. One had alread retired ... And come back unsuccessfully... The other was angling for a good drive...
Senna used the situation to his advantage, he wouldn't have retired anyway... He was talking of a sabbatical from the sport-read his autobiography.
And 1993 is not 2012. The sport has changed way way too much to make these comparisons.

[Raptor22]

Raptor,

If you think Schumachers situation is in anyway similar to what senna was going through in 1993, then you are plain wrong. senna was 32, schumacher 43. One had alread retired ... And come back unsuccessfully... The other was angling for a good drive...
Senna used the situation to his advantage, he wouldn't have retired anyway... He was talking of a sabbatical from the sport-read his autobiography.
And 1993 is not 2012. The sport has changed way way too much to make these comparisons.

Senna was angling for a good drive. He was angling for a Williams seat and was in negotiations with Williams at the time but Frank would not go back on the deal he made with Prost. Prost's structured his deal with Williams in a way that P*ssed Senna off. Would Senna have retired / taken a sabatical? According to many autobiographies, YES he would have ( I have most of them + 2 DvD's including "SENNA, the movie". Even Joe Ramirez supports the opinion the Senna was tired of it and wanted a break but the lore of winning was always too great.
You either see a situational parallel or you don't.

Lastly, please learn to read words. I said Schumacher is retiring. I don't believe he will be in any car next year except the family stationwagon taking the dogs for a walk.
As for the speculative discussion people are having wrt what POSSIBILITIES lie ahead, it is not inconceivable that he could still make a U-turn or not. Either way people will make up their own minds in time, NOT because you said so.
You disagree, that's fine.

[FoxHound]

@ raptor

I read your words. You said Senna would retire. There is no "situational parrallel".
Schumacher will not test a Sauber that is magically amazing and he will not announce his return due to it. Can you accept that and not use Senna's case with mclaren(vastly different) as he was only ever considering a faster car, not retirement.
As it turns out, he stayed at McLaren and raced a whole season... So why use it a an example when it goes contrary to what you are intimating?

Inbox me if you wish. This has gone off topic long enough.

[snoop1050]

Car is now behind RBR,Ferrari,Mclaren,Lotus,Sauber & Force India. Its 7th Fastest.

Competitive my a**. Its a pile of ---. Heck I think in most races Williams have been better & Merc have been 8th fastest in many races

it as been behind all of them for awhile now imo