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Right, it's the Ensign N181.

Who was the designer and what was special about that monocoque ?

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Ensign N181 designed by Nigel Bennett

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Right and finally, what was peculiar about that monocoque ?

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The third team perhaps, but not the third monocoque, which was the original question.

The Lotus 91 was still the third monocoque after Lotus 88 (never raced) and the MP4-1.
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Sombrero wrote:Right and finally, what was peculiar about that monocoque ?
Sorry I can't recall, I thought that was just the car from the year before

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Sorry, but it was all about the 3rd original design of a carbon composite monocoque neither about the 3rd team or the 3rd monocoque. Nothing was special about the T91 since it followed closely the T87 pattern.

The Lotus T91 use exactly the same manufacturing princips than that of the T87, T88 and T88B. The T86 "Torre Canyon" was arguably different but was never raced and only the outer chassis was made in carbon composites the main body being a T81 aluminium monocoque.

The Ensign N181 was an unique piece of enginering at the time and not built after the McLaren or the Lotus pattern. The top monocoque was carbon fiber and the bottom was honeycomb aluminium. It was sometime referred as semi carbon-monocoque.

There's no pictures of a "naked" N181 or from it's close derivate the Theodore N183 even on F1devianart. But the N181 original construction pattern which is totally different from the one initiated by Mc Laren and Lotus was re-used for the Theodore T83 Indy car. Later on, CART made this type of top half-carbon, half-alumimium monocoque mandatory for safety concern before allowing full carbon survial cell like in F-1.

Here some pictures of that car :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31390582@N07/4173003024

You can see clearly how it was made.

Source : Inspired to Design, Nigel Bennett.

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What is f1devianart? Can't find anything with google.

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Sorry http://f1-history.deviantart.com/

The "t" got lost in the process.

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"T"87 and "T"91?

The "T" came with Lotus 93T and lasted to the 100T, which indicated a Turbo engine.

After the Turbo-era, it was back to Lotus 101 in 1989.

Anyway, the Lotus 91 was indeed an original chassis design.
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I use what had been used by the Lotus designer at the time. Lotus T72 stood for Lotus Typ 72, Lotus 72 was more popular but inacurate. If you don't trust me read Peter Wright...

http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ftpw021.html

The Lotus T91 had absolutely not an original carbon monocoque : The Lotus T87/5 was changed in a T91. That says all...
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Confusing, so the 93T was really a T93T?
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No, to avoid the double "T", the turbo powered cars like the Lotus Typ 93 was a Lotus 93T but the Lotus Typ 101 is a T101 again. Quite simple and clear.

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Not clear at all, I have never in 40 years seen a Lotus 72 being called "T72", like a russian tank.
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What was novel for the team in question with this car and who was the chief designer?

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