Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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@savemehollywood: really nice post. nice writing!!

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winth304 wrote:@savemehollywood: really nice post. nice writing!!
There's more support for my view as apparently going to Mercedes was XIX's idea.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19765967

Again, XIX are a different kind of management firm. They don't know about looking for teams that have the next Confabulation Exhaust or whatever you racing types think.

But they are very very very very sharp at figuring out how to land you that Nike deal. 8)
My interest in this is really to see how this Brand-Athlete evolution happens and if Lewis can actually carry it on even if Mercedes cannot improve without unlimited testing.

Interesting... combined with the ever-cool and glamorous looking Leonardo Di Caprio doppelganger, and this new Brand-athlete, you might say Mercedes next year will become "The Glamour Squad".

If Lewis is "successful" at his brand development it may not be long before Rosberg joins him. After all he does look like Leonardo Di Caprio and doesn't seem half bad in the races.

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Mika1 wrote:Aldo Costa will design the 2013 car, we will see what he can do.
Taking into account his work in Ferrari at least the WO4 can be realiable and good with tyres, which would be a great improvement from the previous cars. :mrgreen:

If they dont solve their problems with tyre management Lewis is going to suffer so much!! Nico will beat him as he is much better using the tyres in a proper way.

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Picture posted on FIA's Facebook page.
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a part of it Lauda is right but why Michael change his mind later? and want to continue with Merc but was to late? I also don't believe he talked with Ferrari because no one at Ferrari didn't want Michael back (especially LDM) only option was Sauber but Michael wasn't sure about next car because nobody can guarantee him a competitive car.

is interesting what Weber said "the car would be better next year" .so maybe Mercedes hid some stuff forcing Schumacher to retire, but he meanwhile discovered this and wanted to continue but it was too late :wtf: :wtf:
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The W03 was quick early on. It was quick in testing. It chewed up tires. Once again, the tire issue sprung up. The team took way too long to "understand" the tires and implement fixes. If the team can nail the tire issue from the start, the W04 will have a very successful year. What the tire issue is...I have no idea. It likely is a combination of things. At least the weight distribution that killed the W02 was solved. And on the bright side, the W03 has one win and two poles (counting Schumacher at Monaco).
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as I have posted when Hamilton signing was announced :
the official DAI Press release ended with the separate remark :
Lewis Hamilton is managed by Fullers XIX entertainment

brilliant

I don´t think it reflects very well on laudas ethos to talk publicly about what schumacher did or left when Mercedes closed the door .And it reflects bad on Brawn to prefer Hamilton to make a quick announcement to be fair to his old employer but give Schumacher not an opportunity to rethink the new situation and consider announcing his retirement before.look above and you know why it happened.
the news were already out in the morning and DAI was already hours late in announcing the signing....

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marcush. wrote:as I have posted when Hamilton signing was announced :
the official DAI Press release ended with the separate remark :
Lewis Hamilton is managed by Fullers XIX entertainment

brilliant

I don´t think it reflects very well on laudas ethos to talk publicly about what schumacher did or left when Mercedes closed the door .And it reflects bad on Brawn to prefer Hamilton to make a quick announcement to be fair to his old employer but give Schumacher not an opportunity to rethink the new situation and consider announcing his retirement before.look above and you know why it happened.
the news were already out in the morning and DAI was already hours late in announcing the signing....
Schumacher was an afterthought. The team had other priorities. :mrgreen:

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Christian Danner, former F1 driver and RTL pundit:
"The people who built this car should really all be fired. It can't be that you drive all around the world for nine months only to find that your car is as fast as a Toro Rosso."
Easier said than done. It looks very impressive on paper to make such a statement but it is much more difficult when you have the responsibility. Although I agree with the notion that MGP have some important HR decisions imminent.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best .............................. organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)

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WhiteBlue wrote:Christian Danner, former F1 driver and RTL pundit:
"The people who built this car should really all be fired. It can't be that you drive all around the world for nine months only to find that your car is as fast as a Toro Rosso."
Easier said than done. It looks very impressive on paper to make such a statement but it is much more difficult when you have the responsibility. Although I agree with the notion that MGP have some important HR decisions imminent.
who built?
First of all i´d fire those who come up with those brilliant strategies. They knew it would be hard to overtake knowing about the top speed of the TR .So to go with too low top speed is just ignorant .Starting 23 rd or from the pits does not make any difference so they had the option for schumacher to change gears or go for less drag.

That was the first "Blind " moment.
Second .The baton stops with the boss -always- it´s just bad politics to look for the poor devil who tried his best to come up with something ,but the boss has to sign it off and he has to take responsibility.

They all talked about how important it was to keep focused and come up with useful upgrades in season-Not happened
They publicly distributed their view the car was a winner -only their(lack of ) tyre understanding held them back -not for the first time if I might add.

If i were there in any responsibility i would sink into ground ashamed....but then Hamilton already distributes his view of the future being sure next years car to be below par.. nice try to lower expectations .

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clipsy1H wrote:
a part of it Lauda is right but why Michael change his mind later? and want to continue with Merc but was to late? I also don't believe he talked with Ferrari because no one at Ferrari didn't want Michael back (especially LDM) only option was Sauber but Michael wasn't sure about next car because nobody can guarantee him a competitive car.

is interesting what Weber said "the car would be better next year" .so maybe Mercedes hid some stuff forcing Schumacher to retire, but he meanwhile discovered this and wanted to continue but it was too late :wtf: :wtf:
Read again: Mercedes was unable to guarantee that "the car would be better next year". :roll:

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Ganxxta wrote:
clipsy1H wrote:
a part of it Lauda is right but why Michael change his mind later? and want to continue with Merc but was to late? I also don't believe he talked with Ferrari because no one at Ferrari didn't want Michael back (especially LDM) only option was Sauber but Michael wasn't sure about next car because nobody can guarantee him a competitive car.

is interesting what Weber said "the car would be better next year" .so maybe Mercedes hid some stuff forcing Schumacher to retire, but he meanwhile discovered this and wanted to continue but it was too late :wtf: :wtf:
Read again: Mercedes was unable to guarantee that "the car would be better next year". :roll:
ups my bad .... but then why Michael wants to stay?

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So Danner has a point. But really should know the w03 was Bigois' baby. And where is Bigois now?
I wonder if Mercedes will make the mistake of having too much patience to having none.
Lauda will tell it straight to the DAI board. He shoots from the hip, as we see he has little time for sentimentality, with his often abrasive quotes.
I reckon Brawn and Haug had a bit of a love in, and Zetsche set the cat in them in Lauda.

I also read very little in costa working on next years car when Elliott has been there for 6 months. The w04 could turn out to be the mother of all monstrosities. But it seems to work for McLaren.
JET set

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clipsy1H wrote:ups my bad .... but then why Michael wants to stay?
Who said that he wants to stay? Especially at MGP?

The only quote I found from MSC was that he wants to finish all races this season, unlike Bernie and Lauda want him to.