Big Tea wrote: ↑11 Jun 2023, 17:35
mwillems wrote: ↑11 Jun 2023, 03:41
swifteddie1 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2023, 00:30
I wouldn't be surprised if the upgrade package includes a Red Bull style anti dive front suspension along with Aston/Alpine style side pods.
F1 cars have been built with suspension to prevent dive on entry and rise on exit for decades, I think the suggestions are that Red Bulls suspension is superb at keeping the car flat through many situations. In fact, having just had a quick read, the anti dive is only part of it, the geometry pushes the front wheels a little further away from the sidepods and floor entrances and the suspension configuration cleans the air very well. This configuration also helps with tyre degradation.
https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-engine ... Bull%20car
It'd be lovely if we can do that, as it would amplify the downforce in the car by helping it stay lower to the ground, time will tell.
I suspect that what is being 'advertised' as anti-dive if more for keeping things level as one wheel skips a curbing and allows power on a fraction sooner out of corners, or even in corners when required.
As you say anti-dive is old hat by its self, but there must have been something else in the Red Bull set up that gives an edge in corners as well as under braking. Sort of roll control in both axis
From what I understand it is about the geometry pushing the wheel slightly further away from the sidepods and reducing the effects of tyre wash because it leans forward a little on the wheel. To add to this the extreme angle also makes the anti dive response stronger and therefore the car is flatter more often and therefore has more continuous downforce in the optimum operating window. This and the fact that the geometry is apparently very good at then cleaning the airflow.
https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-engine ... Bull%20car
But then Stella has been commenting on the pitch and yaw of the MCL60 and he suggested the issue was one of sensitive aero. His english doesn't always seem great so I don't know if that means he thinks it needs to be fixed in the aero, or just that this formula generates very sensitive aero.
The latter certainly seems true, these regs do seem to be more focussed than usual on operating windows and balance, a mix of having peak downforce and then keeping the car in it's peak downforce. Just one is not going to cut it, certainly not against the RB19. Treating the floor nicely and keeping it at the best operating positions seems to be able to get more performance out of the car than it ever did.
It always counted, just seems to count more now. Whatever configuration you choose then affects the tyres which themselves seem to be also very sensitive, so it does seem tricky.
Edit: I do recall that Stella once said that Mclaren struggle with how these tyres deform, because the wind tunnel cannot simulate it, and that this is part of the handling issues that held back Daniel and that Lando complains about.
This is something that I imagine Rob Marshall will also understand better.
