Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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SaveMeHollywood wrote:
Morteza wrote:Found this on Top Gear website:
Some of you might liken it to a Greek tragedy; McLaren's prodigal son ‘not caring about the others', abandoning his generous parents and leaving a trail of destruction in his wake, forever doomed to mid-table obscurity in a team many believe don't have a chance of winning a championship.
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That's one way of looking at it:

Here's another I've posted elsewhere which I think Merc fans ought to chew on as well as Hamilton fans:
Lewis’ entire motivation for going to Mercedes-Benz has all to do with those clauses that allow him to “Promote his Personal Brand and Image as he sees fit”.

It’s common knowledge that XIX Entertainment have held a higher regard of prestige for the three-pointed star than the brand at Woking.

The clauses will allow Hamilton to “individualize” himself as a celebrity, a symbol. He’ll be a star (like his girlfriend).

And that goes, even if the car never finishes higher than 4th ever. This is the life he probably always wanted and why he increasingly took on that Hollywood lifestyle which clashed with McLaren’s view of how he should be managed.

Now he’s free to do just that.

Even if the car never finishes higher than 4th.

You’ll know this is true when the clauses actually allow him to appear in different colored overalls from his teammate and he can skip sessions because he has his own photoshoots and is inspecting his own merchandise.

The clause completely separates his own “performance” from that of the team’s.

He can be a “winner” even if Mercedes trundle around in the mid-field. He only needs to keep up the image of being a “fighter punching above his weight” to make the whole thing work.

It must be noted that Lewis is taking on representation that is VERY different to typical sports or F1 representation.

This is representation used in Entertainment (which I have some familiarity with).

So I think I need to clarify my view:

As a celebrity/talent you need to be able to post “forward momentum” or “winning image” even without any material progress. Traditionally as an F1 driver you’d have to say you want to win World Championships and you need to keep winning to keep that brand up. That’s the old way (the MS way) of doing it. Lewis knows first hand brands/talents like his girlfriend Nicole continue to have upward momentum even if she does not make album after album or score platinum 10x in a row.

She doesn’t have to do that. Chances are XIX have advised him that neither does he to “win at the game of life”.

Lewis has tried running with his talent, but instead of him being the dominant power of F1, F1 in recent years has become the Sebastian Vettel show. Lewis has seen that in the age of limited testing, the power of success of a talented driver is limited. If he had won World Titles straight on-the-trot with McLaren and with his dad, Anthony, I doubt he would have considered "other paths to happiness" and I doubt he would have landed at XIX.

But he's there. Because he sees other "achievers" happy there at XIX - even when nothing in particular is happening. Look at the clientele at XIX and you'll know I speak the truth.

Judging from the usual way F1 talent is handled by teams, he's been told the same thing many other drivers have been told: "Wear the uniform, do the work. Make the car faster and we'll collect silverware". His father probably pushed him in the same direction.

He's tired of that. He's hitting 30 soon. He's looking for something else now. He's done it "their way" before and all he has to show for it is one World Title and some other trophies. That may be pretty good achievement. But up the pitlane are people with more Titles than him. "Their way" didn't work. Across the pond, Hamilton finds his Entertainment friends are happier. So I think he's going to do it "XIX's way" from now on.

Take note he still needs to keep up that talk though about the championships and the challenges. Because the F1 "Market" demands he talks as a "fighter" as "someone taking on challenges". And don't worry, he'll still drive the wheels off any car he's in. Because that's his "character". His girlfriend sings at the top of her lungs and he travels around the world doing quick laps.

But the people around him (his celebrity friends and XIX) no doubt have understood for some time that winning in straight terms isn’t necessary.

For people outside of Entertainment, staying ahead with only the “veneer” of high performance sounds like a facade. In Entertainment, that is actually the sustaining goal of Entertainment Representation like XIX.

For Lewis, it now means he never has to worry if Vettel wins 20 championships from now on.

He will be more famous. He will be more marketable. He will be more wealthy.

He will be the “winner”.

This is how it will work:

The clauses in his contract will allow Lewis to run his own "operation". To make his own gear, his own merchandise, wear them even on Sundays (regardless of what the team might want him to use/wear). He'll be his own entity. This is not new. This is how "Ferrari Drivers" used to operate back in the early days.

He will be "external" to the team. He will drive the car 10/10ths every race weekend. He will fight. He will struggle and they will use that as part of his "marketing". Lewis will "have his fun" and if he starts winning anyway? Even better.

XIX and Lewis could try and create an image, slowly, where it's "Lewis Hamilton drives a Mercedes" rather than "Lewis Hamilton is a Mercedes Driver". There's a difference. Why else would he want so much Self-Brand freedom in his contract?

XIX is prepared to use ANY result or any publicity from Lewis' F1 activity REGARDLESS of result. If Mercedes hit a good patch and make a dominant car? Bonus. If they continue as they have? Lewis doesn't care. He's got his merchandise, his endorsements, his magazine photoshoots....

He'll be busy enough "winning at everything else".

The model for "success" for the 2013 spec LH will be these:
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I don't know if Lewis had problems with tyres this season. I would say only in Valencia, but other drivers also had similar situations.

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Ganxxta wrote:
clipsy1H wrote:ups my bad .... but then why Michael wants to stay?
Who said that he wants to stay? Especially at MGP?

The only quote I found from MSC was that he wants to finish all races this season, unlike Bernie and Lauda want him to.
but if Hamilton hadn't signed he would have remained (and i'm sure he wants) for me Mercedes hadn't respect for Michael they should wait his final decision and after start talk with Hamilton because is pretty clear at the moment when Hamilton signed Michael hadn't made any decision about his future.
If he wanted to retire why didn't announce in Singapore?

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clipsy1H wrote:If he wanted to retire why didn't announce in Singapore?
I don't think he wanted to retire back in Singapore. Michael said it himself: "Sometimes in life your destiny will develop by itself."

I think it means that he started really losing motivation after Lewis was signed. That was the turning point for him to finally make his decision. Whether it was forced or inevitable, we will never really know for sure.

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@e30ernest i think the same as you. i belive if hamilton hadnt been in the background schumacher wouldnt have retired this year. but i dont think it would have been the right thing for michael i think deep down he discovered this isnt for him any more only when the w04 got taken away.

http://www.inautonews.com/older-schumac ... HU-oLJof1Q

can we say lauda has officially started his new job as a B***S**T stirrer :)

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i think schumacher wanted to stay until after the 2014 season but merc didnt want him when they might have actually had a chance of winning.

i guess its easier to blame the performance on schumacher to the board than to admit the car is ****

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snoop1050 wrote:i think schumacher wanted to stay until after the 2014 season but merc didnt want him when they might have actually had a chance of winning.

i guess its easier to blame the performance on schumacher to the board than to admit the car is ****
in 2014 almost all drivers can win title and Michael know that but ....... it's a shame what Merc did i really can't believe he will retire at end of this season :(....
I predict in 2014 a very very strong car both drivers are at same lvl (Nico and Lewis) but i go on Nico :wtf:

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snoop1050 wrote:i think schumacher wanted to stay until after the 2014 season but merc didnt want him when they might have actually had a chance of winning.

i guess its easier to blame the performance on schumacher to the board than to admit the car is ****
till the end of july michael had the option on his behalf to sign a new contract. though only for 2013. he wanted a option to decide for 2014 on his behalf. maybe merc didn't agree on this, so there was a kind of stalemate i suppose.

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winth304 wrote:
snoop1050 wrote:i think schumacher wanted to stay until after the 2014 season but merc didnt want him when they might have actually had a chance of winning.

i guess its easier to blame the performance on schumacher to the board than to admit the car is ****
till the end of july michael had the option on his behalf to sign a new contract. though only for 2013. he wanted a option to decide for 2014 on his behalf. maybe merc didn't agree on this, so there was a kind of stalemate i suppose.
whats your source for this? the claim that he wanted an option to decide for 2014?

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winth304 wrote:
snoop1050 wrote:i think schumacher wanted to stay until after the 2014 season but merc didnt want him when they might have actually had a chance of winning.

i guess its easier to blame the performance on schumacher to the board than to admit the car is ****
till the end of july michael had the option on his behalf to sign a new contract. though only for 2013. he wanted a option to decide for 2014 on his behalf. maybe merc didn't agree on this, so there was a kind of stalemate i suppose.
It could be but in my opinion Michael didnt want to sing a new deal without seeing signs of a clear improvement in the car. As this didnt happen...

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:lol: :lol: :lol: You've got to be kidding me.
Oct.11 (GMM) Niki Lauda has already made a move to poach Adrian Newey away from Red Bull to Mercedes.

Austrian triple world champion Lauda, having negotiated Mercedes’ new Concorde Agreement and wooed Lewis Hamilton to the German squad, has also joined the team as non-executive chairman.

And according to Red Bull’s Dr Helmut Marko, “Herr Lauda has been looking into how long Adrian Newey still has a contract with us”, he is quoted by Bild newspaper.

The report said Briton Newey, F1′s most respected car designer and aerodynamicist who reportedly makes in the region of $10 million a year at Red Bull, is under contract until 2014.

“There is an existing contract to be complied with,” insisted Marko, who is team owner Dietrich Mateschitz’s right-hand man on F1 matters.

“And what would he (Newey) do at Mercedes anyway? With Ross Brawn there are three other technical directors. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians,” Marko insisted.

Austrian Marko said Newey has not been Mercedes’ only target.

“They also wanted to have Vettel,” he alleged.
http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/10/11/lauda ... aF1.com%29
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fiohaa wrote:
winth304 wrote:
snoop1050 wrote:i think schumacher wanted to stay until after the 2014 season but merc didnt want him when they might have actually had a chance of winning.

i guess its easier to blame the performance on schumacher to the board than to admit the car is ****
till the end of july michael had the option on his behalf to sign a new contract. though only for 2013. he wanted a option to decide for 2014 on his behalf. maybe merc didn't agree on this, so there was a kind of stalemate i suppose.
whats your source for this? the claim that he wanted an option to decide for 2014?
bild were reporting it was the reason he hadnt signed then all the hamilton stuff happened

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lol i find it funny how all this teams dirty laundry is being aired out to dry now, wheres all the people who have been defending them the place is in shambles its a joke.

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The W03 wasn't born a dog. It has a win and two poles to its name. That is a lot more than the W02 ever managed. The team failed to keep up with the pace of development within other teams. They did the same thing last year with the weight distribution issue. The W03 was a big improvement over the W02, the team just didn't improve it as quick as the others.
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