Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[diego1960]

I would go as far as to day that they actually managed to "destroy" it instead of improving it. First time in F1 history that this is done to such an extend. Pathetic really. Of course, now that Lauda has joined we will witness a majestic collapse, squad resuffle, people getting fired etc. early signs point to this at least.

Don't get me wrong, I am a Merc fan, just this team from Brackley doesn't have anything that screams "Mercedes" on it.

[Morteza]

The car had pace in the early races (a great improvement over W01 and W02). China and Monaco are the highlights of the year for Mercedes. The tire degradation and race pace have cost them badly. Again it took them so long to introduce upgrades to their car. They said they were trying to understand the tires. I simply have no idea if their degradation problems have been solved or not, but that doesn't mean that you have to stop developing your car, does it? What all those they have hired in the past two years are doing really? Hiring a new driver is the solution? Hell no. They have fired Bigois, but only him was to blame for the mistakes?

[phillippe]

The W03 wasn't born a dog. It has a win and two poles to its name. That is a lot more than the W02 ever managed. The team failed to keep up with the pace of development within other teams. They did the same thing last year with the weight distribution issue. The W03 was a big improvement over the W02, the team just didn't improve it as quick as the others.

I am not sure that is entirely correct; it could be a matter of perspective. While the W02 didn't win races or secure poles, it finished 4th in the WCC. The W03 will be lucky to hold on to 5th at this rate. And the first lap nutcase may yet overtake Britney in drivers standings, in which case, the W03 would have performed worse than the W02 both in the WDC and WCC.

Thanks to Pirelli, even the FW-34 has one pole and a win to its credit, but would it be better than the Sauber C31 or the Lotus E20, which has neither? The lack of in season development affected both the W02 and W03 in equal measure, as you have rightly pointed out, so...

[FoxHound]

lol i find it funny how all this teams dirty laundry is being aired out to dry now, wheres all the people who have been defending them the place is in shambles its a joke.

Marko and bild say something and you believe them unreservedly. Fair enough, it may be true.
But how many posters said "get Newey" or use the "red bull" model?
A fair few that have given this team a hard time(in some case justified, in others just pure hatred).

Now it is alleged Mercedes are seriously looking at Newey, and you make the conclusion it's a shambles?
Hmm
Did you ever think, that to get Newey, Mercedes would need to do whatever Newey wanted(ie organisational structures etc in order to get Newey to sign?
Just a thought.....

[ninogenio]

i belive my post refers more too the way mercedes go about business making them selfs look like twats nothing more lol. in which case i dont think i can be disproven.

why on gods green earth would bringing more technical minds on board be a good idea?!!!!???

ohh and this team is mercedes in name only, i actually feel sorry for the real mercedes because its an excellent brand with amazing people and this team is destroying there image.

[FoxHound]

I'm referring to your post.

If Newey were to go to MGP he would require his own structure.
He would not entertain working with "equals" so to speak.

[ninogenio]

Did you ever think, that to get Newey, Mercedes would need to do whatever Newey wanted(ie organisational structures etc in order to get Newey to sign?
Just a thought.....

does this require firing and hiring some of the power team they just aquired. and reorganising some of the structure that was reorganised then restructored then reorganised?!

im curiose what you think foxhound try and sell this team too me how do you think they should move forward?
would shutting lauda up be anywhere in the mix?

[FoxHound]

Look at the top 3 teams. They all work and have differing structures from each other.
Is there 1 way to win? No.

Lauda was brought in to ruffle feathers. And so long as Mercedes continue to under perform, long may he sting the staff in getting it right.
Newey being linked to Mercedes will have an effect at the factory. Why?
Newey has a set way of doing things, and Mercedes are not following his model presently.
Should results be similar to this year in 2013, most of the big wigs will be axed or sidelined for this Newey model.
That's if Newey decides he wants to resuscitate Mercedes f1 programme. A huge IF given he is so cosy at red bull.

Lauda beating his drum loudly is a warning.

[dren]

The W03 wasn't born a dog. It has a win and two poles to its name. That is a lot more than the W02 ever managed. The team failed to keep up with the pace of development within other teams. They did the same thing last year with the weight distribution issue. The W03 was a big improvement over the W02, the team just didn't improve it as quick as the others.

I am not sure that is entirely correct; it could be a matter of perspective. While the W02 didn't win races or secure poles, it finished 4th in the WCC. The W03 will be lucky to hold on to 5th at this rate. And the first lap nutcase may yet overtake Britney in drivers standings, in which case, the W03 would have performed worse than the W02 both in the WDC and WCC.

Thanks to Pirelli, even the FW-34 has one pole and a win to its credit, but would it be better than the Sauber C31 or the Lotus E20, which has neither? The lack of in season development affected both the W02 and W03 in equal measure, as you have rightly pointed out, so...

To Williams credit, that IS a good car. So is the Sauber. Maldonado should be much higher in the standings than he is. Senna is a joke. There are a lot of really good cars this year, but the tires have magnified strengths and weaknesses in the cars. The W03 was in the mix early on, the team just couldn't keep up the development pace. Last year, their development pace was actually on par with everyone once the weight distribution issue was worked around, that's why the W02 stayed consistent through the season relative to the competition.

The team really cocked up a good initial car this year. Let's hope they learn from it and improve next year.

I am going to say Brawn will state at the end of the year that they severely underestimated the gains from the Coanda exhaust, much like they underestimated the gains from the EBD last year. Lotus looks to have run into the same issue.

[dren]

The W04 will be the culmination of the 4 big-wigs at Mercedes. If the W04 is a flop, then there will be some restructuring. I expect the W04 to be a contender out of the gate. It will be up to the team to develop it from then on.

As for Lauda trying to poach Adrian Newey...what team hasn't? The same can be said for Vettel, or Hamilton.

[SeijaKessen]

Look at the top 3 teams. They all work and have differing structures from each other.
Is there 1 way to win? No.

Lauda was brought in to ruffle feathers. And so long as Mercedes continue to under perform, long may he sting the staff in getting it right.
Newey being linked to Mercedes will have an effect at the factory. Why?
Newey has a set way of doing things, and Mercedes are not following his model presently.
Should results be similar to this year in 2013, most of the big wigs will be axed or sidelined for this Newey model.
That's if Newey decides he wants to resuscitate Mercedes f1 programme. A huge IF given he is so cosy at red bull.

Lauda beating his drum loudly is a warning.

So tell us JET, do you think MGP's marriage with Lauda is going to work out?

He did a real number on Jaguar 10 years back...do you somehow expect things to turn out differently?

[example]

Rosberg scored a lot more points than either of Sauber drivers. We'll see how this season unfolds, but I think Schumaher was a liability for this team.

[Raptor22]

Adrian Newey will no join Mercedes. That my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Why do i feel this?

- Mercedes is too beaureaucratic.
- Mercedes structures are too top heavy.
- Mereceds have too many popular names in their tech department, and one of whom Adrian is not particularly fond...
- RedBull offer him the freedom to do what he feels is necessary. If he wants to take a year off and go design yachts or aerobatic airplanes, then he has that option.
- The factory is close to his home.
- He has a great relationship with the boss and the team principal. If he needs thing dones he has allies everyewhere. HE won;t have that at Mercedes.


This is just destabilising tactics by Lauda. He does it all the time to everyone.

oh and W03 is a dog. Its a second slower than the fastest car on any given weekend

[SeijaKessen]

Raptor, you have to remember this talk regarding Newey is what MGP does best.

They promise that something is right around the corner.

The best analogy I can think of is this.

When a married man has a girlfriend on the side, at some point, the girlfriend starts demanding something more out of the relationship. Usually this happens when the married man starts bitching about his wife all the time. He then promises the girlfriend that "When a few things get settled up, I will divorce her, and we will get married."

This then plays out for a few years. There's always excuses made, and promises meant to tide the girl over.

That's what Ross and the Hutt's strategy has been since 2010. They keep promising things for the next year, or the year after. Then when the time comes, they say the schedule had to be changed, or that they had to bring in a new person, so things were delayed.

[elf341]

Rosberg scored a lot more points than either of Sauber drivers. We'll see how this season unfolds, but I think Schumaher was a liability for this team.

You do realise that since Mercedes managed to put a plug in Schumacher's technical failures he has scored 41 points compared to Nico's 28?

Or are you suggesting that Schumacher should have got out of the car himself at China to change his wheels? Or he should have personally inspected his fuel intake valve at Monaco?

If only Schumacher had simultaneously performed the job of DRS mechanic at Bahrain and Canada! What a liability he is!