2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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AR3-GP wrote:
31 May 2025, 17:02
Rabbit out of a hat for that P3
Purple S3. The car can't handle tires over a lap now. We push S1 but lose everywhere else.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Max was out of position in the first run, he had made a mistake in T4, 3rd is his position I think, only challenging was Russell.

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Yeah the best we could have done is P3 today. I think unlike last year though, we will have a relatively better race car (or so I hope). If we lead after Turn 1, it should be an interesting race.
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That's the best result possible, with the smallest margin possible.

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Sergej wrote:
31 May 2025, 17:04
Max was out of position in the first run, he had made a mistake in T4, 3rd is his position I think, only challenging was Russell.
True now that I looked. Rusell had a massive tow from Gasly by the way, so I don't think he's that close on merit.
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ah didn't know about George's tow, thanks

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Well it could have been worse. 3 tenths is a lot but let's hope in race pace Verstappen can match or beat the mclarens.

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I think the gap today is unfortunately still Mclaren's tire management. Hottest qualy session of the year. (warmer than AUS where Mclaren had 6 tenths in qualy, so cutting down to 3 tenths in these conditions is still an improvement). Max kept saying he doesn't have any rear grip. The rear tires were overheating, that's why. They need to make a fundamental step with the rear wheel temperature management, or they will not win the championship.

This is what it comes down to imo:
The German publication claims Red Bull have noted ‘many blue areas around the brake vents on the McLaren tyres, while all the other cars showed a lot of orange and red’ with the team coming
RBR brake vents must start showing blue after the update.
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usually McLaren go faster in race than in quali, so this 3 tenth gap is quite ominous

let's see tomorrow, surely Max will go banzai in T1, there's nothing to lose at this point

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@FDataAnalysis

#F1 #SpanishGP LONG RUNS (FP2)

🔴SOFT
1) 🟦VER 1:19.918
2) 🟧NOR 1.20:220
3) 🟥LEC 1:20.287
4) 🟩RUS 1.20:847

🟡MEDIUM
1) 🟧NOR 1:18.76 ‼️
2) 🟦VER 1.20:088
3) 🟥LEC 1.20:675

My take:
-NOR's pace on mediums was incredible
-VER was unusually strong in his long runs (RBR has been running a lot of fuel + low engine modes in FP2 most weekends)
-Soft looks viable, but Medium is the better tyre
"

Considering how much Verstappen improved from Fp to qualifying, if he can improve similarly in race pace, we will have a good race.

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Turn 1 and turn 4 combined cost Max 0.280 out of the 0.302 gap at the end of the lap. Tomorrow's race pace will tell us how much of this gap was due to tyres (if any) and how much was actual performance.

I think MCL will be the fastest, they've had a buffer all weekend long and some of that margin will definitely translate to race pace, even Norris's confidence in the interview suggests they know they have the best race pace.

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AR3-GP wrote:
31 May 2025, 17:30
I think the gap today is unfortunately still Mclaren's tire management. Hottest qualy session of the year. (warmer than AUS where Mclaren had 6 tenths in qualy, so cutting down to 3 tenths in these conditions is still an improvement). Max kept saying he doesn't have any rear grip. The rear tires were overheating, that's why. They need to make a fundamental step with the rear wheel temperature management, or they will not win the championship.

This is what it comes down to imo:
The German publication claims Red Bull have noted ‘many blue areas around the brake vents on the McLaren tyres, while all the other cars showed a lot of orange and red’ with the team coming
RBR brake vents must start showing blue after the update.
I think it's time to stop the magic upgrade talk. I've been saying it for a long time now, the MCL39 isn't a one-trick pony, it's the complete package. They have the best aero, they have the best mechanical platform, they have the most advanced cooling solutions. Unless RB can magically upgrade all of this mid-season they will not catch them. Successful aero and cooling updates may be able to get Max within sniping distance, where he can make the difference a la Imola/Japan, but no one is catching McLaren on pure performance this season.

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Qualy here was mighty, but I think they also wanted to proof something. Tomorrow is the race.

For Max to maximize every single time, is quite impressive. He does not have the car so cannot leave even a thousandth on the table.

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Sergej wrote:
31 May 2025, 17:32
usually McLaren go faster in race than in quali, so this 3 tenth gap is quite ominous

let's see tomorrow, surely Max will go banzai in T1, there's nothing to lose at this point
FP1 track temp: 50 C start, 47 C end (race sims)
FP2 track temp: 42C start, 47 C end (race sims)
FP3 track temp: 44C start, 47 C end (qualy sims)
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pantherxxx wrote:
31 May 2025, 17:33
"
@FDataAnalysis

#F1 #SpanishGP LONG RUNS (FP2)

🔴SOFT
1) 🟦VER 1:19.918
2) 🟧NOR 1.20:220
3) 🟥LEC 1:20.287
4) 🟩RUS 1.20:847

🟡MEDIUM
1) 🟧NOR 1:18.76 ‼️
2) 🟦VER 1.20:088
3) 🟥LEC 1.20:675

My take:
-NOR's pace on mediums was incredible
-VER was unusually strong in his long runs (RBR has been running a lot of fuel + low engine modes in FP2 most weekends)
-Soft looks viable, but Medium is the better tyre
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Considering how much Verstappen improved from Fp to qualifying, if he can improve similarly in race pace, we will have a good race.
I am surprised he doesn't mention that the stints are not directly comparable.

1-Max's second stint (as opposed to Lando's first) was on the softs (meaning he had less fuel than Lando).
2-Lando's Medium stint was his second stint (compared to Max's first), which in turn also means he had less fuel than Max.

Fuel corrected, there's almost nothing in the soft runs and the gap with the mediums is overly inflated, because Lando more than likely was instructed to go full pace till the end of the session (only had like 4 or 5 laps) to better judge deg.

If the longs runs from yesterday are to be taken into consideration, they should be neck and neck in terms of race pace.
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