Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014

[George-Jung]

Maybe Hamilton isn't that good as many of you want him to be?

[SectorOne]

That delta is massive. 0.1 delta in that ratio is equivalant to a relative 16% higher chance of conversion between those two drivers.

So as i said, if that number is massive then 0.6 to 1.5 is absolutely huge and consequently disproves the whole theory you have about conversion ratios and the amount of titles (not like it was disproven long before that but anyway)

I think this year will be similar. He will be behind the curve on Rosberg and miss his WDC shot by less than 8%.

Got damn amazing, with theories like this it´s a mystery how betting sites is still alive.
They only had to check the conversion ratio to know the final result

Let´s make a deal.
If Hamilton wins the title, you´ll bury that theory for the rest of your life.
If Rosberg wins, i´ll put in my signature for a year that Hamilton is the most overrated Formula 1 driver to ever live.

Are we ignoring last season where mercedes had a fast qualy car that got lapped during the race? Or are we just saying that is down to LH incompetence?

Are we saying that driver skill is solely being able to drive one lap quickly, or does it also involve picking the right team at the right time, insisting on certain team members and team mates, leading/motivating/forcing the team to find solutions to issues, managing weak cars into points-scoring positions, sacrificing pole speed to get reliability, and so on?

Answering questions with other questions is not an answer.

or does it also involve picking the right team at the right time,

Which is a luck factor obviously. Unless you have some theory on that as well.

insisting on certain team members and team mates, leading/motivating/forcing the team to find solutions to issues, managing weak cars into points-scoring positions, sacrificing pole speed to get reliability, and so on?

Pretty sure that´s exactly what Rosberg and Hamilton did during the year.

[Juzh]

Maybe Hamilton isn't that good as many of you want him to be?

How dare you.

[SidSidney]

If Hamilton wins the title.

He won't. But I still like him.

[MercedesAMGSpy]

Maybe Hamilton isn't that good as many of you want him to be?

Good enough to be 29 points behind Rosberg instead of 50 (= two DNF). Well, well, how is that possible? =D>

[Manoah2u]

IMHO, i'm afraid to say, Hammy will indeed miss out on the title.
And i think it can be as simple as his first GP where he had a non-start/DNF.

He's missing out on those points hugely. Making me say that it would only become slightly
fairer, if Rosberg finally would have a true DNF from the start, and Hamilton taking the Win.

Hamilton did have another DNF, but ok, i feel like that's not neccesarily that accountable becuase
it seems his own driving style 'enhanced' the failure possibility. Rosberg's driving style runs less
risk of the exact same issue.
Bad luck being Hamilton could have maintained the drive if the team responded accordingly, which
they didn't.

Does rosberg have the upper hand? I'm sorry, NOPE. Rosberg is ahead by a larger margin because of simply
2 things; 2 DNF's of Hamilton, whilst Rosberg had NONE. If they BOTH had 2 DNFs, then yes - Rosberg would,
up to this point, have proven he is 'better' than Hamilton. Unfortunately, that isn't the case.

That however doesn't mean Rosberg won't win the WDC. I feel like he'll win it. Which i feel is also devestating
for Hamilton. The ONLY way imho to overcome such a thing would be to move to Ferrari and become WDC at
ferrari with a mediocre driver at his team.

Vise versa, it would be different. I feel rosberg could take a loss of WDC this year much better then hamilton could.
Does that make rosberg more mature? perhaps. I feel Rosberg might be even hungrier the year after to take it for
the win, with a Hamilton a bit more 'eased' having a fresh WDC - Hamilton is definately a more 'emotional' driver
than Rosberg.

Either way, I think both drivers deserve it. I kinda tend to 'like' hamilton more 'fanwise' than Rosberg. Yet, Rosberg's
achievements aren't the lightest and the way he's handling the season untill now is definately class act. Still, the
Monaco 'incident' imho wasn't a clean move. But hey, as if Hamilton is a saint, so, whatever.

[gray41]

Maybe Hamilton isn't that good as many of you want him to be?

If he isnt, what does that say about the rest of the F1 grid?

[Just_a_fan]

does it also involve picking the right team at the right time, insisting on certain team members and team mates,

One thing he has never done is demand a weak team mate. A number of the multiple title winners have done so, not least the saintly Michael. Alonso also won't put up with someone he thinks is too fast, especially not after Hamilton pipped him in his rookie year. Prost wasn't happy about equality either - look at some of the politics being played when Senna showed him up. It's debatable whether Vettel saw Webber as a threat, especially once the team and car were moulded to Vettel's needs.

Hamilton's biggest failure as driver, in terms of getting results, is that he hasn't played those political games. And I, for one, respect him for it. He has always just turned up and given his all (except when that bloody women was messing him about).

If he'd gone to Mercedes and demanded a rabbit for a team mate, we'd all be sat here saying "Will Hamilton have the title wrapped up by race X?" But he didn't. He went to a team with a team mate who he has known for years and knows is quick and consistent and he's put himself to the test. And people appear to dislike him for it.

But some people can't see further than him being British (reason enough for some/many to hate), or being a bit "speak before thinking"/"heart on sleeve" - and yet people bemoan the media-robot nature of some drivers. Go figure.

[CHT]

does it also involve picking the right team at the right time, insisting on certain team members and team mates,

One thing he has never done is demand a weak team mate. A number of the multiple title winners have done so, not least the saintly Michael. Alonso also won't put up with someone he thinks is too fast, especially not after Hamilton pipped him in his rookie year. Prost wasn't happy about equality either - look at some of the politics being played when Senna showed him up. It's debatable whether Vettel saw Webber as a threat, especially once the team and car were moulded to Vettel's needs.

Hamilton's biggest failure as driver, in terms of getting results, is that he hasn't played those political games. And I, for one, respect him for it. He has always just turned up and given his all (except when that bloody women was messing him about).

If he'd gone to Mercedes and demanded a rabbit for a team mate, we'd all be sat here saying "Will Hamilton have the title wrapped up by race X?" But he didn't. He went to a team with a team mate who he has known for years and knows is quick and consistent and he's put himself to the test. And people appear to dislike him for it.

But some people can't see further than him being British (reason enough for some/many to hate), or being a bit "speak before thinking"/"heart on sleeve" - and yet people bemoan the media-robot nature of some drivers. Go figure.

According to Niki Lauda, Non-Executive Chairman of Merc and former world champion, LH has got the natural talent and speed, however he is not as hard working and consistent as his team mate. And in today's complicated F1, where drivers has to thing about tyres fuel brakes etc, having raw natural talent alone is not going to win you the championships. Perhaps that could the reason for his DNFs?

[Shrieker]

There are still 300 points up for grabs, I can't -for the life me- fathom how some guys speak as if it's a done deal for Rosberg. His advantage is less than one tenth of the available points... We may -and I suspect will- see many twists and turns from here till the end of the season. Hamilton still holds the advantage of more poles and wins as well - despite two less race finishes, both mechanical problems.

[MercedesAMGSpy]

does it also involve picking the right team at the right time, insisting on certain team members and team mates,

One thing he has never done is demand a weak team mate. A number of the multiple title winners have done so, not least the saintly Michael. Alonso also won't put up with someone he thinks is too fast, especially not after Hamilton pipped him in his rookie year. Prost wasn't happy about equality either - look at some of the politics being played when Senna showed him up. It's debatable whether Vettel saw Webber as a threat, especially once the team and car were moulded to Vettel's needs.

Hamilton's biggest failure as driver, in terms of getting results, is that he hasn't played those political games. And I, for one, respect him for it. He has always just turned up and given his all (except when that bloody women was messing him about).

If he'd gone to Mercedes and demanded a rabbit for a team mate, we'd all be sat here saying "Will Hamilton have the title wrapped up by race X?" But he didn't. He went to a team with a team mate who he has known for years and knows is quick and consistent and he's put himself to the test. And people appear to dislike him for it.

But some people can't see further than him being British (reason enough for some/many to hate), or being a bit "speak before thinking"/"heart on sleeve" - and yet people bemoan the media-robot nature of some drivers. Go figure.

According to Niki Lauda, Non-Executive Chairman of Merc and former world champion, LH has got the natural talent and speed, however he is not as hard working and consistent as his team mate. And in today's complicated F1, where drivers has to thing about tyres fuel brakes etc, having raw natural talent alone is not going to win you the championships. Perhaps that could the reason for his DNFs?

Hamilton is very lazy indeed, that's the way to reach Formula One, doing nothing. You are talking here about a F1 world champion, a bit more respect please.

[thomin]

According to Niki Lauda, Non-Executive Chairman of Merc and former world champion, LH has got the natural talent and speed, however he is not as hard working and consistent as his team mate. And in today's complicated F1, where drivers has to thing about tyres fuel brakes etc, having raw natural talent alone is not going to win you the championships. Perhaps that could the reason for his DNFs?

I kinda doubt that. Lauda is the pundit on the German TV station that airs F1 and I have never heard him say anything like that. He's always very positive about both his drivers. Though Lewis himself said something along those lines before in a backhanded compliment sort of way when he implied that Nico needs more time preparing for races and time in the simulator.

However, even if that's true, it has nothing to do with Lewis' DNFs. Australia was completely outside of his control. Canada might have had to do with Lewis' driving style being harder on the brakes, but even so, that wouldn't have changed by working harder.
Lewis seems to be as prepared as anyone. The most obvious explanation for why he's not dominating is not him being lazy, Mercedes undermining his season, or whatever, but rather that Nico is a very capable teammate whom many (particularly in the UK) still underestimate.

[CHT]

According to Niki Lauda, Non-Executive Chairman of Merc and former world champion, LH has got the natural talent and speed, however he is not as hard working and consistent as his team mate. And in today's complicated F1, where drivers has to thing about tyres fuel brakes etc, having raw natural talent alone is not going to win you the championships. Perhaps that could the reason for his DNFs?

I kinda doubt that. Lauda is the pundit on the German TV station that airs F1 and I have never heard him say anything like that. He's always very positive about both his drivers. Though Lewis himself said something along those lines before in a backhanded compliment sort of way when he implied that Nico needs more time preparing for races and time in the simulator.

However, even if that's true, it has nothing to do with Lewis' DNFs. Australia was completely outside of his control. Canada might have had to do with Lewis' driving style being harder on the brakes, but even so, that wouldn't have changed by working harder.
Lewis seems to be as prepared as anyone. The most obvious explanation for why he's not dominating is not him being lazy, Mercedes undermining his season, or whatever, but rather that Nico is a very capable teammate whom many (particularly in the UK) still underestimate.

There seems to be always reasons and excuses for LH under achievement.

In 2011 didnt Jenson Button prove that LH can be beaten by finishing the season 43 points ahead of LH? reasons? relationship problem, off track distraction, Mclaren?

And in his rookie year, he could have won the WDC along side Alonso. Reason?? Mclaren and Alonso undermining his race?

In 2008 when LH won the WDC. Reason? Ferrari undermining Massa's season?

In today's F1, having raw speed and talent is not going to win you the championship because the cars today are not designed be driven at its limit all the time, and I believe that is where LH will suffer because of his lack of attention to details. (at least according to Niki Lauda). To catch up, I believe LH will have to work doubly hard and stay humble instead of always blaming the team for compromising his race.

[CHT]

This has got nothing to do with being disrespect, this is about how different drivers operate and what the technical regulation demand from the drivers.

Anyway, I am just echoing what Niki Lauda said and since he is also a multiple WDCs working within MERC, we should also give him some respect and credibility for what he is saying.

"Lewis, from my point of view, has a 0.1s or 0.2s advantage on Nico because he can get the laps in qualifying in order," Lauda said. "Nico is working hard, he's my type, with the mechanics the engineers with the tyres forwards and backwards.
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[George-Jung]

does it also involve picking the right team at the right time, insisting on certain team members and team mates,

One thing he has never done is demand a weak team mate. A number of the multiple title winners have done so, not least the saintly Michael. Alonso also won't put up with someone he thinks is too fast, especially not after Hamilton pipped him in his rookie year. Prost wasn't happy about equality either - look at some of the politics being played when Senna showed him up. It's debatable whether Vettel saw Webber as a threat, especially once the team and car were moulded to Vettel's needs.

Hamilton's biggest failure as driver, in terms of getting results, is that he hasn't played those political games. And I, for one, respect him for it. He has always just turned up and given his all (except when that bloody women was messing him about).

If he'd gone to Mercedes and demanded a rabbit for a team mate, we'd all be sat here saying "Will Hamilton have the title wrapped up by race X?" But he didn't. He went to a team with a team mate who he has known for years and knows is quick and consistent and he's put himself to the test. And people appear to dislike him for it.

But some people can't see further than him being British (reason enough for some/many to hate), or being a bit "speak before thinking"/"heart on sleeve" - and yet people bemoan the media-robot nature of some drivers. Go figure.

You are right about Alonso, he will never accept a fast driver next to him.. Not to mention a former WDC, who did very well in previous years... Owh wait

Hamilton is a fast driver, but not a very clever one.. And you need to be both in order to become the very best.

And just so you know, I support Hamilton over Rosberg..