2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Farnborough]

This message is coming from the qualifying session.

Is this the first time HAM has used the engine braking?


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My understanding of this is that MB didn't have a specific function, but likely integrated in the "strat mode" commands whereas the Ferrari control,is individually accessed as an discreet and set function.

I doubt any of the PU would not have in place, somewhere, that capability.

[F1NAC]

Let's not derail too far, but nobody forced Schumacher out and that 2011 car was garbage. Alonso went from nearly winning a title to being lucky to win 1 race. Upgrades throughout 2010 were hit and miss as well and by season end they were behind Red Bull and McLaren.

Costa got lucky at Mercedes.

2011 car was garbage mostly because engine couldn’t do off throttle blowing as good as renault one. If it wasn’t for this gimmick, car would be solid.

[ringo]

Adami and Hamilton have a lot of gelling to do.
It's like the driver is talking to a wall just reading the race radio.
https://www.racefans.net/2025/05/26/hav ... monaco-gp/
The traffic did undo his, race but it seems Adami was overwhelmed and not able to answer what the driver queried.
I say they should keep Adami for continuity for this year, but he needs a lot of work.
Maybe someone like Rob Smedley or Bono would be more suitable.

I get the opposite impression. Adami is giving Hamilton the relevant information, he's telling him when to push to overcut Hadjar and Alonso, he's giving him the gaps and pace of the cars ahead, he's giving him pace targets, he's giving him BBAL and BMIG suggestions to control rear temps. The problem is that Hamilton is off the pace of the top 4 so he finds himself in no man's land between the top cars and the midfield. He keeps prodding Adami for some magical piece of information that would improve his race but there is no such thing when he's simply too slow, hence why Adami is sometimes reticent to answer. At the end of the day he finished as high as he could have given the pace.

In general I think Lewis really likes a target in mind when he's driving, something to chase. But when he finds himself in no man's land without a concrete way move forward he becomes quite edgy and difficult to work with.

The race engineer has to speak to the driver. There is no justification to not communicate what the driver is asking.
It's not only unproductive, it's actually unsafe. The driver is operating the machine, if he asks for something, just give it to him. There's no point in giving information that he does not want to use to drive the car.

[ringo]

Adami and Hamilton have a lot of gelling to do.
It's like the driver is talking to a wall just reading the race radio.
https://www.racefans.net/2025/05/26/hav ... monaco-gp/
The traffic did undo his, race but it seems Adami was overwhelmed and not able to answer what the driver queried.
I say they should keep Adami for continuity for this year, but he needs a lot of work.
Maybe someone like Rob Smedley or Bono would be more suitable.

I get the opposite impression. Adami is giving Hamilton the relevant information, he's telling him when to push to overcut Hadjar and Alonso, he's giving him the gaps and pace of the cars ahead, he's giving him pace targets, he's giving him BBAL and BMIG suggestions to control rear temps. The problem is that Hamilton is off the pace of the top 4 so he finds himself in no man's land between the top cars and the midfield. He keeps prodding Adami for some magical piece of information that would improve his race but there is no such thing when he's simply too slow, hence why Adami is sometimes reticent to answer. At the end of the day he finished as high as he could have given the pace.

In general I think Lewis really likes a target in mind when he's driving, something to chase. But when he finds himself in no man's land without a concrete way move forward he becomes quite edgy and difficult to work with.

I fully agree. I think the Hamilton situation is getting quite embarrassing, frankly. Instead of getting frustrated to an excellent race engineer like Adami, a 40 years old man should look humbly into himself and ask why he can’t match at all his teammate performance, both in race and qualifying.
I still think Hamilton can do a lot better than this.

I think the opposite. Hamilton is the 7x champion, not anyone at Ferrari. So they have to improve their standard.
The onus is on them. When it's Charles or Max, there's an excuse for their behavior, when it's Hamilton, he's the one that needs to conform. With almost 20 years of driving, and 105? wins. He's knows a thing or two about managing his race. So they need to listen to him. Regardless of what they think about his personality, he has trophies and the drives as proof of what works.
The biggest mistake the team can make is to continue what they are used to and expect different results.

[ringo]

This message is coming from the qualifying session.

Is this the first time HAM has used the engine braking?


https://postimages.org/

My understanding of this is that MB didn't have a specific function, but likely integrated in the "strat mode" commands whereas the Ferrari control,is individually accessed as an discreet and set function.

I doubt any of the PU would not have in place, somewhere, that capability.

Listening to the race engineer, the Ferrari doesn't "cascade" much of it's controls like the Mercedes. It's like driving an old steam locomotive with 100 different adjustments trickling out from the race engineer that the driver has to be tweaking individually.
The Mercedes controls are tighter and more layered. The driver probably has a setting that adjusts 10 or sub settings, almost like a modern sports car with different modes that change steering, braking, throttle, damping, pedal feel at once depending on the preprogram.

[kptaylor]

I think the opposite. Hamilton is the 7x champion, not anyone at Ferrari. So they have to improve their standard.
The onus is on them. When it's Charles or Max, there's an excuse for their behavior, when it's Hamilton, he's the one that needs to conform. With almost 20 years of driving, and 105? wins. He's knows a thing or two about managing his race. So they need to listen to him. Regardless of what they think about his personality, he has trophies and the drives as proof of what works.
The biggest mistake the team can make is to continue what they are used to and expect different results.

Well, Ferrari have quite a few more championships, but let's not digress. I think your explanation sums it up. He came in with the attitude that he's a 7x champion, so he just had to be given a good car. The reality is he needed to do a lot of sim work, work to develop a relationship with his assigned engineer, and listen to constructive feedback. He has to adapt, the team will try to accommodate, but their adaptation is less than what Lewis needs to do. It's harder as you get older and into the mindset that you're a 7x champion, but the work is the work and it needs to be put in.

[bluechris]

Adami and Hamilton have a lot of gelling to do.
It's like the driver is talking to a wall just reading the race radio.
https://www.racefans.net/2025/05/26/hav ... monaco-gp/
The traffic did undo his, race but it seems Adami was overwhelmed and not able to answer what the driver queried.
I say they should keep Adami for continuity for this year, but he needs a lot of work.
Maybe someone like Rob Smedley or Bono would be more suitable.

I get the opposite impression. Adami is giving Hamilton the relevant information, he's telling him when to push to overcut Hadjar and Alonso, he's giving him the gaps and pace of the cars ahead, he's giving him pace targets, he's giving him BBAL and BMIG suggestions to control rear temps. The problem is that Hamilton is off the pace of the top 4 so he finds himself in no man's land between the top cars and the midfield. He keeps prodding Adami for some magical piece of information that would improve his race but there is no such thing when he's simply too slow, hence why Adami is sometimes reticent to answer. At the end of the day he finished as high as he could have given the pace.

In general I think Lewis really likes a target in mind when he's driving, something to chase. But when he finds himself in no man's land without a concrete way move forward he becomes quite edgy and difficult to work with.

The race engineer has to speak to the driver. There is no justification to not communicate what the driver is asking.
It's not only unproductive, it's actually unsafe. The driver is operating the machine, if he asks for something, just give it to him. There's no point in giving information that he does not want to use to drive the car.

Hamilton needs a woman in Adami seat to finally appreciate the guy.

Hamilton: "is there a problem"
Woman: "nothing"
And complete silence after till the end of the race

[ringo]

I think you are both missing the point. The driver asks a question. It has to be answered.
That's professionalism. Trust is the most important thing in a job where someone is operating an equipment, a vehicle, etc, that can be potentially dangerous. Adami is the control centre. It's his responsibility to answer directly.
The driver asks what's going, then just do your job and answer the question.

If they are going to play mind games and politics with the driver, because there is no trust, then they are not going to win any titles again. Vettel had the same issues with Adami, as did Carlos. It's not unique to Lewis.
The difference is, Lewis is not a Charles or Carlos, who have not been exposed to title fights. Hate him or love him, he's pretty much has to be dealt with at the same level as Michael, or even higher because he came there with the 7 titles.

Charles is the faster driver, but if Ferrari build the fastest car, Hamilton still has the higher probability of getting a title, solely based on being seasoned with title fights. Charle's closest title fight ended quite early in 2022 due to some crashes. So there is still a lot that the team can learn from Lewis, even if he does not get another title.

[Nani_s23]

I think you are both missing the point. The driver asks a question. It has to be answered.
That's professionalism. Trust is the most important thing in a job where someone is operating an equipment, a vehicle, etc, that can be potentially dangerous. Adami is the control centre. It's his responsibility to answer directly.
The driver asks what's going, then just do your job and answer the question.

If they are going to play mind games and politics with the driver, because there is no trust, then they are not going to win any titles again. Vettel had the same issues with Adami, as did Carlos. It's not unique to Lewis.
The difference is, Lewis is not a Charles or Carlos, who have not been exposed to title fights. Hate him or love him, he's pretty much has to be dealt with at the same level as Michael, or even higher because he came there with the 7 titles.

Charles is the faster driver, but if Ferrari build the fastest car, Hamilton still has the higher probability of getting a title, solely based on being seasoned with title fights. Charle's closest title fight ended quite early in 2022 due to some crashes. So there is still a lot that the team can learn from Lewis, even if he does not get another title.

2022 Title fight ended not due to crashes, before that RB car does have better top speed + the car kept evolving in comparison to Ferrari where they were severely hit by TD39 & reliability issues. Atleast 3-4 wins were in that year for Charles. He lost due to reliability + team strategies + 1 crash.Please get the facts right.

Give a consistent strong car through out the season to Leclerc, will see the difference. His only weakness is his skill on Wet track that’s been exposed by weak Ferrari on Full wet & intermediate tyres. Ferrari never had a good car under such conditions.

[ringo]

We are yet to see him go down to the wire in a title fight. I am not saying he cannot do it. I am saying it still not something he has experienced, even after so many years of top performance. To be fair, none of the drivers have this experience, such is Max's dominance over the past 5 years or so. Alonso and Lewis are still assets to any team.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Charles is the faster driver, but if Ferrari build the fastest car, Hamilton still has the higher probability of getting a title, solely based on being seasoned with title fights. Charle's closest title fight ended quite early in 2022 due to some crashes. So there is still a lot that the team can learn from Lewis, even if he does not get another title.

I don't disagree with some of your statements but this one just isn't true. Making a point like this especially in the Ferrari topic is going to get head scratches. If you add up the points Leclerc lost that season from driver error compared to the ones lost through reliability and strategy the latter category is much larger than the former.

[ringo]

Why so sensitive?
Okay, strategy, and technical directives. My point being the fight did not go deep down into the season. Yes the Redbull was a better car after a while with Technical Directives etc. I still feel even without the TD, the RB would have been ahead. The car was overweight at the beginning and improved as the season went on. My focus is on the team's experience. Alonso came closest with Ferrari in 2010 and so forth. When I say team, i mean the current people working in the team, not Ferrari as a whole going back to 1950.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Why so sensitive?
Okay, strategy, and technical directives. My point being the fight did not go deep down into the season. Yes the Redbull was a better car after a while with Technical Directives etc. I still feel even without the TD, the RB would have been ahead. The car was overweight at the beginning and improved as the season went on. My focus is on the team's experience. Alonso came closest with Ferrari in 2010 and so forth. When I say team, i mean the current people working in the team, not Ferrari as a whole going back to 1950.

I don't see how responding to your post pointing out something that isn't true is "sensitive"?? I don't think my tone was rude at all. If it was, then I apologize because English isn't my native language and I put my comments through a grammar checker before I post.

Again I don't disagree with your assessment about where the team is, but that wasn't the original point about Leclerc that you made which is what I was commenting on...

Anyway...

[Cs98]

Adami and Hamilton have a lot of gelling to do.
It's like the driver is talking to a wall just reading the race radio.
https://www.racefans.net/2025/05/26/hav ... monaco-gp/
The traffic did undo his, race but it seems Adami was overwhelmed and not able to answer what the driver queried.
I say they should keep Adami for continuity for this year, but he needs a lot of work.
Maybe someone like Rob Smedley or Bono would be more suitable.

I get the opposite impression. Adami is giving Hamilton the relevant information, he's telling him when to push to overcut Hadjar and Alonso, he's giving him the gaps and pace of the cars ahead, he's giving him pace targets, he's giving him BBAL and BMIG suggestions to control rear temps. The problem is that Hamilton is off the pace of the top 4 so he finds himself in no man's land between the top cars and the midfield. He keeps prodding Adami for some magical piece of information that would improve his race but there is no such thing when he's simply too slow, hence why Adami is sometimes reticent to answer. At the end of the day he finished as high as he could have given the pace.

In general I think Lewis really likes a target in mind when he's driving, something to chase. But when he finds himself in no man's land without a concrete way move forward he becomes quite edgy and difficult to work with.

The race engineer has to speak to the driver. There is no justification to not communicate what the driver is asking.
It's not only unproductive, it's actually unsafe. The driver is operating the machine, if he asks for something, just give it to him. There's no point in giving information that he does not want to use to drive the car.

Adami speaks plenty. There's been a lot of bloviating on this topic but at the end of the day this exchange right here between Adami and Hamilton encapsulates the real source of the frustration:

-Hamilton: Update on pace mate.
-Adami: We suggest an early entry turn five. Verstappen lap time 14.4, 15 seconds ahead.
-Lap: 41/78 HAM: 1’15.111
-Hamilton: Yeah I can’t match that, mate.

[venkyhere]

In simple terms, it all boils down to :

A) We have a 7x WDC as a driver, we must feel obliged to have him, and cater to all his demands, on and off track ; even if it means revamping our technical processes and practices, and even the car's design philosophy.

B) Irrespective of whether I am a 7x WDC, I got my 'dream drive in the dream team' and am being paid an actual fortune doing it. I should feel obliged to be here, and dedicate 100% of my time towards 'delivering' in the driver's seat, and put all my movie producer (not just one, but many in the pipeline), world-reformer 'activities' on standby, until I get to master this difficult car.

There will always be opinions supporting both A and B, and neither would be wrong.
I think reality sits somewhere in between both A and B.