Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[dren]

My opinion of Ross Brawn is no secret, it's quite enough to look at his CV, just a machine operator at MrM's old Bicester workshop .

Yup, there are quiet a few highly successful Team Principals with similar backgrounds who went on to lead WCC teams. Jack Brabham, Ron Dennis and Enzo Ferrari started out as spanner men. Frank Williams was a travelling grocery salesman, Ken Tyrell was a timber merchant. Christian Horner went straight into motorsport after school.

What we can learn from this is that nearly all WCC winning TPs have no university education, one could say that personality and guile are the dominant traits for leading a team and negotiating F1 politics.

ps I'm not offering opinion about Brawn, just pointing out that his CV isn't different from other highly successful TPs.

But Formula One Technical directors, hell yeah, which was the issue here.

On the topic of uneducated TPs, Jean Todt would probably disagree and he has had some success, no?

Brawn must be the fvcking devil in disguise eh?

[dren]

I am thinking Mercedes should fire all the people they just hired this year. Fvck it, start over. I hear some HRT boys are looking for a challenge.

While I hate seeing the team fail, I also like seeing them succeed. They won a race this year. They should have had another in Monaco. The closest thing Mercedes could ever say in the previous two years was that Rosberg lead a race in China (with a short-fueled car).

[Nando]

Guys can we please move into reality again and leave the Brawn blackmailing Schumacher or that he´s the devil?
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Next year is a further evolution, perhaps they have something that will again move them closer to the front, it´s obvious listening to Brawn that they are testing a number of setup changes on the cars during the weekends to learn as much as they can, not everything is wings and aero.

[snoop1050]

Guys can we please move into reality again and leave the Brawn blackmailing Schumacher or that he´s the devil?
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Next year is a further evolution, perhaps they have something that will again move them closer to the front, it´s obvious listening to Brawn that they are testing a number of setup changes on the cars during the weekends to learn as much as they can, not everything is wings and aero.

i thought they did that already for the half of the season were they developed 0 new parts because they were understanding the car.

you mean to tell me they still dont? , might be time to release the current staff and hire monkeys.

real monkeys work for peanuts unlike the merc monkeys

[SeijaKessen]

Guys can we please move into reality again and leave the Brawn blackmailing Schumacher or that he´s the devil?

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Next year is a further evolution, perhaps they have something that will again move them closer to the front, it´s obvious listening to Brawn that they are testing a number of setup changes on the cars during the weekends to learn as much as they can, not everything is wings and aero.

Why, this entire car is an evolution every year, and they only figure out how to evolve into something worse.

[clipsy1H]

BTW: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103506 - Schumacher talks about his future. (horse ) damn i'm pretty sure if he remain next year can win one or two races

[dren]

Guys can we please move into reality again and leave the Brawn blackmailing Schumacher or that he´s the devil?
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Next year is a further evolution, perhaps they have something that will again move them closer to the front, it´s obvious listening to Brawn that they are testing a number of setup changes on the cars during the weekends to learn as much as they can, not everything is wings and aero.

That was sarcasm on my part if you didn't pick up on it.

Perhaps the design team at Merc is great, but the racing team is not. Who actually sets up the car? Does that come from a team at the factory running simulations? Then minor adjustments are made at the track?

[Nando]

you mean to tell me they still dont?

I really hope that´s a rhetorical question.

[Nando]

Why, this entire car is an evolution every year, and they only figure out how to evolve into something worse.

Despite not having the same amount of WCC points as they finished with last year they still have made progress.
Rosberg has more points then last year, and that´s with the addition of having another strong team in the mix now.

They have 2 poles and one win. Overall there has been progress. 2013 is a new year, let´s see what happens.
2014 is another new year, fresh piece of paper, new engines, let´s see what happens.

Want me to remind you on Lotus last year which took 2 podiums last year then died but this year is third in WDC points?

[Forza]

For those who are interested to get into F1

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[SeijaKessen]

Why, this entire car is an evolution every year, and they only figure out how to evolve into something worse.

Despite not having the same amount of WCC points as they finished with last year they still have made progress.
Rosberg has more points then last year, and that´s with the addition of having another strong team in the mix now.

They have 2 poles and one win. Overall there has been progress. 2013 is a new year, let´s see what happens.
2014 is another new year, fresh piece of paper, new engines, let´s see what happens.

Want me to remind you on Lotus last year which took 2 podiums last year then died but this year is third in WDC points?

Why, one of those wins was during the Pirelli Lottery sweepstakes, so that can hardly count since after all, Williams F1 was gifted a victory for Sir Frank's 70th.

You do know this team was supposed to be challenging for a championship in 2012 according to their masterful blueprint right?

People have been saying hope is right around the corner for a few years.

And MGP making progress?

I suppose if you count the addition another king or two, well that's progress.

But I suppose we've got differing opinions on progress Nando. I don't see progress in the form of no updates from May thru September. I also don't see progress when a team opts to not run in Q3, or a 7 time world champion feeling there is no point in running in Q3. Progress also is not telling everyone how you are still trying to understand the tire wear when there are about 5 races left on the calendar.

Why after reading all that, I just don't see any reason to blindly accept the word of Ross Brawn on anything. Maybe there's something in there that causes you to do so that I'm not seeing?

[Nando]

Why, one of those wins was during the Pirelli Lottery sweepstakes, so that can hardly count since after all, Williams F1 was gifted a victory for Sir Frank's 70th.

Williams have been super quick in Singapore, Mercedes in Monaco.
There is no lottery. They got it right that weekend, simple as that.

You do know this team was supposed to be challenging for a championship in 2012 according to their masterful blueprint right?

And Ferrari was gonna dominate with their superior F1 car that actually was a dog and instead lucked into several wins and coincidentally was super quick in the rain and have enjoyed the success of other failures, not because their car was the fastest.
--- happens that you don´t expect.

People have been saying hope is right around the corner for a few years.

Yes and so have Mclaren and Ferrari since 07-08... One of them actually have a good car, some say overall the best one even they failed to materialize what Red Bull can do when things click.

And MGP making progress?

I suppose if you count the addition of Elliot Ness and another king or two, well that's progress.

But I suppose we've got differing opinions on progress Nando. I don't see progress in the form of no updates from May thru September. I also don't see progress when a team opts to not run in Q3, or a 7 time world champion feeling there is no point in running in Q3. Progress also is not telling everyone how you are still trying to understand the tire wear when there are about 5 races left on the calendar.

Why after reading all that, I just don't see any reason to blindly accept the word of MrM's Bicester machinist on anything. Maybe there's something in there that causes you to do so that I'm not seeing?

Obviously we do. 7 time world champion not going out in Q3...hmm that sounds like Vettel in Monaco and several other places.
I guess the main difference is budget and Adrian Newey.

Progress....can mean so many things...

First of all, you need to make MORE progress then anyone else for the progress to be shown on paper.
Progress can be knowledge, Progress can be team structure, Progress is not all black and white.

Nobody knows what will happen in 2013. You don´t know i don´t know. So to speak into the future is a useless concept.

[SeijaKessen]

Poor organizational structures have this nasty habit of ensuring repeat occurrences like a bad case of herpes.

A shame a few don't quite understand how that all works.

[Nando]

Again, predicting into the future (especially from the outside sitting in front of a computer) is a very risky thing to do.

Remember it took Red Bull something like 5 years to enjoy success.
In less time, Mercedes have accomplished more.

There was a point where Toro Rosso beat them in constructors. I bet you also was very vocal then?

RB1 - RB2 - RB3 - RB4 no poles no success no nothing. And beaten by their sister team which was supposed to be inferior them.

W01 - W02 - W03 1 win, (2) poles, 3 fastest laps.

[munudeges]

Next year is a further evolution.....