2025 McLaren F1 Team

[Farnborough]

But the images in question were of the drums with the wheels off, so I wonder why, if it is so damning, that we haven't actually seen any further shots of the Mclaren, and other cars for comparison.

The shots of tyre temps as the corner and then cool on the straights have been around for years.

The FIA inspected the brake tins and declared there was no issue for them. So what purpose would there be to share those photos? If RBR did share those images to the media, wouldn't you be accusing them of trying to smear Mclaren even through the FIA already cleared the brake tins? So RBR share a thermal image and there are "blue spots". So what? What does it mean for you?

hey may be interesting, but we are not owed anything. We are not the main characters in this script. The images themselves only benefit the F1 teams by showing them the differences between their cars, and giving them clues on how to do better.

I was thinking the same as ARG3, whats the big issue anyway. ALL of the teams hold images of competitors equipment, everyone knows that.
If any us were a photographer capturing this, then who would we try to sell it too first ? Come on be honest everyone.
There's absolutely no confirmation that others don't hold these images too, just speculation in here. Thats if there are images available.

My point about IR capture was not the method or detail, merely that the contribution that had perceived very high cost and sophistication, then switched to a DSLR being inadequate somehow, just shows a defensive stance based in allegiance and bias not fact. That's a low bar for a technical forum to accept without some level of query, which ultimately turns out to be just that. A smoke screen.

Reality is such an image is not difficult for any competent photographer worthy of "professional" moniker to capture. Furthermore, the teams are well versed/equipped to make intelligent sense of "false colour" image rendition, doing exactly that through wind tunnel operations.

The rear brake/temp/tyre conservation of course attracts interest from all directions, being as it is rightly lauded as the most successful, however so it's achieved.
The team is rightly acclaimed for its diligence in this sphere of performance, but to refute that with pseudo "facts" presented as some sort of thorough insight doesn't really do this, a technical forum, justice does it ?

[FittingMechanics]

But the images in question were of the drums with the wheels off, so I wonder why, if it is so damning, that we haven't actually seen any further shots of the Mclaren, and other cars for comparison.

The shots of tyre temps as the corner and then cool on the straights have been around for years.

Aren't these just photos of the wheels during tire change? How is that hard to get? This is probably a nothing burger that Red Bull fabricated to throw shade at McLaren and get FIA to investigate in detail, which it did and said everything is fine.

[mwillems]

But the images in question were of the drums with the wheels off, so I wonder why, if it is so damning, that we haven't actually seen any further shots of the Mclaren, and other cars for comparison.

The shots of tyre temps as the corner and then cool on the straights have been around for years.

The FIA inspected the brake tins and declared there was no issue for them. So what purpose would there be to share those photos? If RBR did share those images to the media, wouldn't you be accusing them of trying to smear Mclaren even through the FIA already cleared the brake tins? So RBR share a thermal image and there are "blue spots". So what? What does it mean for you? Should RBR or another team request your expertise in verifying the colors?

They may be interesting, but we are not owed anything. We are not the main characters in this script. The images themselves only benefit the F1 teams by showing them the differences between their cars, and giving them clues on how to do better.

Eh?

My posts wondered aloud why journos didn't get some pics and make an article of it. Ive made 2 posts on the matter, you've moved past the first and created your very own wildly dramatic fantasy context around the teams "obligations" and the time frames. This his immediately become pointless, again.

[mwillems]

But the images in question were of the drums with the wheels off, so I wonder why, if it is so damning, that we haven't actually seen any further shots of the Mclaren, and other cars for comparison.

The shots of tyre temps as the corner and then cool on the straights have been around for years.

Aren't these just photos of the wheels during tire change? How is that hard to get? This is probably a nothing burger that Red Bull fabricated to throw shade at McLaren and get FIA to investigate in detail, which it did and said everything is fine.

It is not a game changer, but obviously AR3 has referred back to.it many times as part of his reasoning for his ideas around the technical solution Mclaren employ, as many people still do. Even in the past day or two it is quoted and debated. We still don't know how much they are making the difference, perhaps nothing or perhaps substantially.

The FIA said Mclaren are braking no rules, they haven't said the images were misleading or that there isnt something clever happening.

So of course from a technical standpoint it would be of great interest to know the relative temp differences between the teams cooling solutions.

[Watto]

I believe (at least the story went) the images were shared (assume by Red Bull?) with rival teams, perhaps to try drums up support for a protest or more pressure to seek information with the FIA on exactly what is gong on.

That's a very interesting detail to the story. Why would the "outsider" have remained anonymous when surely this would've been a photo to rival that of Peter J Fox famous Rosberg W16 at Degner in 2016. Photographers love their photo in a headline, it brings commissioned work and lengthy affiliated contracts. Highly suspect that the speculated source has not attached their name to a lucrative scoop. Clever enough to take the photo but gives it away

Seems the anonymity angle has much less traction too when you consider that everyone in the pitlane would very likely know who the photographer was.

This leans to suggest that the "outsider" was commissioned or affiliated to conduct the work or indeed was an insider.
Giving plausible deniability. And of course could be separated from the "catering budget" if indeed it was commissioned by way of a sister entity to the commissioners.

The story as I've heard it and who knows exactly how true this is. The photographer was commissioned by Red Bull to take the photos.

There blue spots on the steel drums seemed to match up with where their were vents on the inside drum cover/ducting which was unlike any other team, the images were supposedly shared with other teams for...I guess who knows what motive I could guess what I mentioned to see if there was any support to protest McLaren with other teams?

Maybe not shared all the images.

But the images if they did have the blue spots could give engineers an idea on where to focus - albeit I imagine this would. be pretty complex to work out exactly how all the internal ducting works as McLaren seem to have a who lot more focus on than than any other team, it looks a far more developed solution and its not something easily seen.

If the images were paid for by Red Bull it would explain why they have not leaked as they are owned by Red Bull

[Quantum]

I was thinking the same as ARG3, whats the big issue anyway. ALL of the teams hold images of competitors equipment, everyone knows that.
If any us were a photographer capturing this, then who would we try to sell it too first ? Come on be honest everyone

Firstly it was was being contextualised as creating confusion by suggesting it was the complaining entity who was the source(by way of commissioning or first party)
Now, it's no big deal.

Also, if any of us were photographers earning a crust trying to make money we sure would want our name attached to our own work.
The reasons are so undeniable that a photographer remaining anonymous while getting the tech scoop of the last few years is going to mean less revenue and less publicity. Why would a photographer get a scoop and want less revenue and publicity (especially for commissioned work) Unless of course already commissioned or employed by said entity?

The other detail is the photo has not been released to the media. This budding photographer just wanted to give it to Red Bull right?

[Quantum]

The story as I've heard it and who knows exactly how true this is. The photographer was commissioned by Red Bull to take the photos.

There blue spots on the steel drums seemed to match up with where their were vents on the inside drum cover/ducting which was unlike any other team, the images were supposedly shared with other teams for...I guess who knows what motive I could guess what I mentioned to see if there was any support to protest McLaren with other teams?

Maybe not shared all the images.

But the images if they did have the blue spots could give engineers an idea on where to focus - albeit I imagine this would. be pretty complex to work out exactly how all the internal ducting works as McLaren seem to have a who lot more focus on than than any other team, it looks a far more developed solution and its not something easily seen.

If the images were paid for by Red Bull it would explain why they have not leaked as they are owned by Red Bull

Thanks, is there a link to any of it?

[PikeStance]

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