2025 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona-Catalunya May 30 - June 1

[Hoffman900]

Guys, guys. Look at the overhead footage. Ahead. At the apex. I'm not a steward, take it up with them and their Guidebook. While you are at it, ask them why they do not adhere to it.

Did you look at the rest of the rule book or just quoting a single excuse you saw on X
to justify it?

For continuity of discussion, the rules also state that when giving a position back, a driver may not attack for at least two corners afterward. Max made it like 100ft?

[avantman]

Supposedly this is Verstappen’s onboard cam:

https://x.com/f1bigdata/status/19295412 ... 9wmaeyXa4Q

Different perspective…

4 times he checks for Russell, then accelerated and didn’t turn for the corner.

Stewards love this kid.

He couldn't even take him out properly. Checked 4 times but still somehow missed his sidepod. The kid is massively overrated, Sam Collins was completely right.

[dren]

Well at least Max made the race interesting.

[chrisc90]

No grip on the front axle.

It’s how all these drivers do it though. Give the position back then immediately accelerate or use a DRS area to re-overtake. We’ve seen it before countless times.

To be fair, doesn’t look like max opens up the steering to hit Russell.

[chrisc90]

One thing I did pick up on though, which hasn’t been mentioned. Is Charles being in the wrong position alongside max before the start finish line. Which is a breach of the RD’s instructions

[zeph]

One thing I did pick up on though, which hasn’t been mentioned. Is Charles being in the wrong position alongside max before the start finish line. Which is a breach of the RD’s instructions

I think that is why he held back momentarily before they crossed the line, seemed like he remembered the rule and made the effort to stay behind.

[chrisc90]

One thing I did pick up on though, which hasn’t been mentioned. Is Charles being in the wrong position alongside max before the start finish line. Which is a breach of the RD’s instructions

I think that is why he held back momentarily before they crossed the line, seemed like he remembered the rule and made the effort to stay behind.

Charles front wing as alongside the back wheel of Max’s.



speed picture

Clear violation in my opinion. Not that complaining, just showing that it was ‘missed’ and is a rule breach

[dialtone]

One thing I did pick up on though, which hasn’t been mentioned. Is Charles being in the wrong position alongside max before the start finish line. Which is a breach of the RD’s instructions

I think that is why he held back momentarily before they crossed the line, seemed like he remembered the rule and made the effort to stay behind.

Charles front wing as alongside the back wheel of Max’s.



speed picture

Clear violation in my opinion. Not that complaining, just showing that it was ‘missed’ and is a rule breach

Sure looks like it, but SC procedure talks about exceptions, one of them as to do with allowing overtake if not doing so puts you in unduly delay. It can easily be admitted that Max sliding like that would indeed cause an undue delay for LEC and that little overlap at the start would qualify under that exception I think.

Leclerc waiting due to Max error would put him under threat from George for example and that’s against the spirit of the rule which was more about gamesmanship.

[chrisc90]

I guess you have to consider how much speed it actually cost max and Charles by Max sliding on the corner exit.

Without reading the rules, I’d say the exception would be if a car has a clear mechanical issue. A little slide on a corner exit wouldn’t cover it in my opinion.

Telemetry of both would be interesting to see though. Especially the onboard from Charles from where he started va where he ended up. Before and after the max slide

[search]

Clear violation in my opinion. Not that complaining, just showing that it was ‘missed’ and is a rule breach

I don't thing the safety car rules you are referring to still apply at that point. Piastri had crossed the line already, so the race is back underway

"No driver may overtake another car on the track until he passes the Line (see Article 5.3) for the first time after the safety car has returned to the pits. The sprint session or the race will be deemed to have started when the leading car crosses the Line after the safety car has returned to the pits."

[vorticism]

Ahead before the apex:

Ahead at the apex:

Ahead after the apex:


Those aren't the rules, but they are the Guides.

Lap 61 restart, all the drivers are exhausted, overheated. Max was bumped into twice in succession, which would annoy any driver. Then is told to yield position; further annoyance because he wasn't thinking about new '25 Stewards Guide which allows drivers to push/bump outside cars. George took advantage of this knowingly or not, as did Oscar earlier in the season; I'm sure many drivers have and will continue to (was Max's Imola start considered this same sanctioned forcing?). Then it would have dawned on him, "Ah, the Stewards Guide thing." Being Max, he turned it into a moment to test the stewards' known biases and provide some commentary via wheel and pedals, bcz it's kind of a stupid rule, arbitrary, plus the existence at all of a "Stewards' Guide" probably annoys some. Unratified secondary sporting regs? Anyway, the test was successful as the Guide was used on lap 61 but not lap 64. And Leclerc's contact went unnoticed. So, all the usual suspects hooted and hollered, cringe mustache boomer laughed in a pile of money, netflix slop assemblers soyed out in unison, F1 youtube channel posts dedicated video of the incident only, and certain aspects of the sporting press again write a thousand more articles which still four years later boil down to "he made brown man cry." All told, Max and most of these drivers deserve a better series with better owners and better media, and Max has been the only driver with enough backbone to comment upon the consistent stupidity. In the only ways he can. Does he do so correctly? Does it matter? He's a twentysomething pro athlete not a fiftysomething statesman. Piasti and Norris are having a great year but you wouldn't know it for the activists in the stewards room intent on stealing the limelight every race with regular attempts to own Max.

[dialtone]

Ahead before the apex:

Ahead at the apex:

Ahead after the apex:


Those aren't the rules, but they are the Guides.

(Snip)

Lmao on the ahead before the apex when he was supposed to give the position back.

And this is some generational gaslighting.

[rbirules]

I'm not really interested in indulging this particular incident in terms of the guidelines being applied or not but rather in terms of a question I've had for some time. When is a pass considered completed? When does the defending driver become the attacking driver?

I'm thinking of COTA last year when Norris got most of his car on front of Max's, but Max beat him to the apex afterwards; the start in Jeddah where Oscar gets most of his car ahead of Max but Max comes back into turn 1; and you can add the example above if you like. In the two prior ones I believe the stewards still considered Max the defending driver. In this instance they say he gave the position up but I think George's back wheels were still alongside Max's front wheels.

Maybe this should be its own discussion.

[rbirules]

Ahead before the apex:
https://i.postimg.cc/1tLk2PD3/barc251.jpg
Ahead at the apex:
https://i.postimg.cc/m23vXvkT/barc252.jpg
Ahead after the apex:
https://i.postimg.cc/fWdnXtht/barc253.jpg

Those aren't the rules, but they are the Guides.

(Snip)

Lmao on the ahead before the apex when he was supposed to give the position back.

And this is some generational gaslighting.

To be clear, per the stewards, he wasn't supposed to give the position back, but they didn't decide this until after the race for some reason. His team did ask him to give the position up though.

[Watto]

Ahead before the apex:
https://i.postimg.cc/1tLk2PD3/barc251.jpg
Ahead at the apex:
https://i.postimg.cc/m23vXvkT/barc252.jpg
Ahead after the apex:
https://i.postimg.cc/fWdnXtht/barc253.jpg

Those aren't the rules, but they are the Guides.

(Snip)

Lmao on the ahead before the apex when he was supposed to give the position back.

And this is some generational gaslighting.

To be clear, per the stewards, he wasn't supposed to give the position back, but they didn't decide this until after the race for some reason. His team did ask him to give the position up though.

I'm not sure if Dialtone is talking about the T1 incident which I think they reviewed post race and said more or less George had the right to space was given it but didn't have control of his car so hitting Max was a mitigating circumstance,



The pictured incident is when Max was meant to give the place back, which is pretty clear cut it was in the wrong. (and I think that is what DT was talking about but its become muddled at times)